Stop Sign

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Agree on this, however, I had a situation last night where I went:

1. "Coach that's enough" with a stop sign.
2. "What do you mean thats enough, you can't tell me be quiet"
3. Quick tweet, "coach warning"

So to me, you still can have a coach run through a stop sign, but after the warning, that's it, my stop sign turns into a "T Intersection"

But talk of the stop sign was before this new warning. And it was said that if they walk through the stop sign, you were supposed to get them. The problem is all of that boxes you in. You have little choice or you look either weak or you look like you did not mean your position.

So why is it any different than a warning? At least with a warning, you have something official. A stop sign looks like a confrontation. And yes it matters based on many factors (e.g. Who you are and what you look like).

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But talk of the stop sign was before this new warning. And it was said that if they walk through the stop sign, you were supposed to get them. The problem is all of that boxes you in. You have little choice or you look either weak or you look like you did not mean your position.

So why is it any different than a warning? At least with a warning, you have something official. A stop sign looks like a confrontation. And yes it matters based on many factors (e.g. Who you are and what you look like).

Peace

My "stop sign" previous to this year was essentially an "official warning" as it's defined and utilized this season.

I choose to give 3 or 4 "stop signs/warnings" per year - that's just how it always seems to work out. 1 or 2 coaches, on average, don't get the stop sing/warning - I go straight to the TF. It's all based on so many factors. Every season, venue, coach, matchup, situation is different. Yes, there are black and white situations too, but my experience using the "stop sign/official warning" has been quite effective. That, obviously, could change tomorrow night. Time will tell.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But talk of the stop sign was before this new warning. And it was said that if they walk through the stop sign, you were supposed to get them. The problem is all of that boxes you in. You have little choice or you look either weak or you look like you did not mean your position.

So why is it any different than a warning? At least with a warning, you have something official. A stop sign looks like a confrontation. And yes it matters based on many factors (e.g. Who you are and what you look like).

Peace

You're completely right, who you are and how you look does play into it.

I don't disagree with your overall assessment, but its also not officially written that a warning should replace a stop sign. I do think as others have pointed out, its about demeanor and how you present it. If you are going to look like a NYC traffic cop at 5 PM, thats a lot different than saying "coach, thats enough" with a open hand like looks more like tell my partners I have had two beers and need to drive home.

I think you can tell a coach, we've had enough without warning them and conversely, I think you can officially warn a coach without telling them its enough. And as much as it is who you are and what you look like, I think we all know the coaches that need the stop sign or the immediate warning.

[RefsNCoaches]

I've given two official warnings this year and was met with "Then call it both ways" immediately after...so there were two of my Ts on Coaches this year.

I also brought two 8th grade players who were whistled for double foul by my partner together to remind them we weren't going to let attitudes take over the game today...I was met with and under the breath "What the F is this guy talking about?!" ...he was sent packing.

As for the stop sign, I've used it in past and I think the official warning is the same thing but carries more validity...except for those two knuckleheads mentioned above.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by RefsNCoaches

I've given two official warnings this year and was met with "Then call it both ways" immediately after...so there were two of my Ts on Coaches this year.

That's more or less what happened in my situation a week or so ago.

On another occasion, I remember hearing a coach muttering something nice meant for me to hear while reporting the official warning to the table, and, since protocol doesn't require or imply the reporting official to move away opposite tableside, I looked directly at him and said sternly, "It would be in your best interest to stop talking right now."

He still probably doesn't realize how "nice" of a guy I am and much grace I extended him.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

On another occasion, I remember hearing a coach muttering something nice meant for me to hear while reporting the official warning to the table, and, since protocol doesn't require or imply the reporting official to move away opposite tableside, I looked directly at him and said sternly, "It would be in your best interest to stop talking right now."

And that's the way it should be. The official that gives the warning should be the one to handle the business that follows if necessary. I work with some partners who want to go away from the table after they give a warning. Why? If the coach chooses not to heed the warning, that is 100% on him. Handle your business or don't warn.

[deecee]

I only use it after a coach has said the same thing over and over followed with a "Ive heard you, and it's enough, so let's move on." or if a coach is coming onto the court followed with a "please return to your bench and I'll come to you."

other than that the only reason I have to use it is when communication has failed and i'm over a coach's behavior. The T is close to follow.

[deecee]

I've always found that good coaches knew when they reached their limit, especially after I have told them to their face that I've reached my limit to their behavior and antics.

The more inexperienced and/or crappy coaches don't take to such obvious clues and then act surprised when they get T'd up.

In the end if you are at your wits end with a coach let them know. If they continue it shouldn't be a shock that they got a T. I have gone so far a couple times with coaches that act like jerks in Q1 to say "I'm not going to tolerate this behavior for 3 more quarters." I'm not scared to follow that up with a T if/when they push it.

I don't believe in coddling adults. Heck I don't believe in coddling children.