Wrong name in book

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

They did not fail to provide it.

If they provide the name John Doe but they play Tim Edgar, how have they not failed to provide the name Tim Edgar?

[Camron Rust]

Changing a name or a number is a T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Changing a name or a number is a T.

Rule?

[VaTerp]

Unless there is evidence that they were purposefully trying to be deceitful, I'm treating this as an administrative error and moving on.

Others mileage may vary but I'm confident this is how the people I work for would want this handled.

Don't be that guy issuing a T here unless your assingors/supervisors have expressed otherwise.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Unless there is evidence that they were purposefully trying to be deceitful, I'm treating this as an administrative error and moving on.

Others mileage may vary but I'm confident this is how the people I work for would want this handled.

Don't be that guy issuing a T here unless your assingors/supervisors have expressed otherwise.

Of course it's an administrative error, that's why it's an administrative technical. It's a T to add a name to the book which is what you have to do here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Of course it's an administrative error, that's why it's an administrative technical. It's a T to add a name to the book which is what you have to do here.

To add a name would be to increase the total number of team members. Such is not the case here.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

To add a name would be to increase the total number of team members. Such is not the case here.

Was the name there before? Is it there now? It's been added.

"No, it was changed." How was it changed? You took one name off and added a new one.

I'm always amazed at the lengths some members of this forum will go to bail out coaches and players from technical fouls.

[Raymond]

I can't find anywhere that says it is a T to change a name. Changing a number is explicitly stated as a T.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Rule?

10-2-2.

The name of a player was not in the book and had to be added. They also had to change the number to the correct player.

The name is what identifies who is playing. If that player is not listed in the book, they must be added. Opposing teams don't plan for which numbers are playing but which individuals are playing. The number just facilitates the bookkeeping.

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Rule?

3-2-2:
At least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time, each team shall supply the official scorer with the NAME and NUMBER of each team member and designate the five starting players. Failure to comply results in a technical foul. (10-1-1 PENALTY)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by genetoy71

3-2-2:
At least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time, each team shall supply the official scorer with the NAME and NUMBER of each team member and designate the five starting players. Failure to comply results in a technical foul. (10-1-1 PENALTY)

A name and number was provided. The name was later changed. You cannot find any citations which state that changing the name is a technical.

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by Raymond

A name and number was provided. The name was later changed. You cannot find any citations which state that changing the name is a technical.

The rule doesn't state, as you quoted "A" name and number to be provided. The rule requires THE name and number of each team member...

Words mean things. "A" is very different from "THE".

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by genetoy71

3-2-2:
At least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time, each team shall supply the official scorer with the NAME and NUMBER of each team member and designate the five starting players. Failure to comply results in a technical foul. (10-1-1 PENALTY)

Doesn't say it has to be the correct name. We only report the fouls by using numbers. Names don't mean much.

[genetoy71]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Doesn't say it has to be the correct name. We only report the fouls by using numbers. Names don't mean much.

The roster is used for more than just reporting fouls. Let's say you had an ejection or a concussion during a game and were filing the report the next day with the conference and state. In your report you state that you ejected #8 for fighting or did not allow him or her to participate because they were exhibiting concussion symptoms. The conference and state then ask you "What was #8's name?" Good luck with your response of "I didn't want to be a d-bag and give a T for something like this" so I chose to not enforce the rule and as a result don't have a name.

[CJP]

I know of a situation where a school played a kid for 5 years. The investigation looked into book keeping for those 5 years; including JV game books. The school was stripped of a conference championship because books showed the kid played high school basketball for 5 years.