Wrong name in book

[jeremy341a]

I was made aware of this situation.

In between Q1 and Q2 the bookkeeper and calls over the official. They said that V#5 who had played in the first quarter had the wrong name. Basically the #5 was listed as John Doe but in reality the kid was named something else. The guest book was checked and it had the wrong name in it as well so this was not a book keeper error.

How do they proceed?

[just another ref]

Change it (if they want to) and move on. There is no penalty for changing a name, only a number.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Change it (if they want to) and move on. There is no penalty for changing a name, only a number.

10-1-1

A team shall not:

Fail to supply the scorer with the name and number of each team member who may participate and designate the five starting players at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time.

PENALTY: (Art. 1) One foul for both requirements. Penalized when it occurs.

However, you need to check the information provided to the scorers and confirm that it was incorrect there. It's not enough to just look at the books. If the roster was wrong, that's an administrative technical for failing to provide the name and number of a team member who participated.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

10-1-1



However, you need to check the information provided to the scorers and confirm that it was incorrect there. It's not enough to just look at the books. If the roster was wrong, that's an administrative technical for failing to provide the name and number of a team member who participated.

They did not fail to provide it.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

They did not fail to provide it.

If they provide the name John Doe but they play Tim Edgar, how have they not failed to provide the name Tim Edgar?

[Camron Rust]

Changing a name or a number is a T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If they provide the name John Doe but they play Tim Edgar, how have they not failed to provide the name Tim Edgar?

10-1-1 penalty is for failure to provide the list before the ten minute mark. Names and numbers can all be wrong and there is no penalty in 10-1-1.
10-1-2 penalty is for adding a name (and number) or changing a number.

Think of it this way. All the names could be wrong and you'd never know the difference. Numbers must be correct for obvious reasons.

[Nevadaref]

I am of the opinion that supplying name X instead of name Y is a failure to supply name Y. I would penalize this with a technical foul.

The right names are needed. It's not okay to have kids playing under other names.

I would not allow a coach to submit a roster with the names of the 1987 Celtics. It would be amusing, but improper.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I am of the opinion that supplying name X instead of name Y is a failure to supply name Y. I would penalize this with a technical foul.

The right names are needed. It's not okay to have kids playing under other names.

I would not allow a coach to submit a roster with the names of the 1987 Celtics. It would be amusing, but improper.

I wouldn't know if he submitted a roster full of phony names.

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[Camron Rust]

Fundamentally, a number is not a player, it is something used to identify a player. If I were tell you #23 is playing, do you know who that is? Would you be OK if the book said Joe Schmo when Michael Jordan took the court? Jordan was not on that roster even if his number was. The number could be anyone's.

If the name is not in the book, it must be added. If someone else's name has their number, that must be changed too.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would not allow a coach to submit a roster with the names of the 1987 Celtics. It would be amusing, but improper.

I was thinking the same thing. If I saw a roster that said:

5 John
11 John
13 John
22 John
25 John
30 John
31 John
43 John
44 John

...Then I think I 'd have a problem with that.

[just another ref]

It is truly a small world. VG game tonight: I checked the book, and the visitors' side had........... no names at all. I asked the scorer if the list submitted included names. She said it did, then picked it up and showed it to me. Apparently she didn't care what the names were, and after a moment of consideration I decided I didn't either. Play on. But take this deeper. These teams didn't know each other, but let's say they did. Middle of the second quarter a sub enters. Buzzer sounds and the scorer waves us over. 13's name is wrong in the book. She's not Mary Smith, she's Mary Jones. Let's just say that it's a given that this is illegal. (obviously this issue is in doubt)
Official: "Coach, she says 13's name is wrong in the book."

Coach: "Let me see! Uh..... no! That's her name, yeah that's it, Mary Smith. That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

What are you gonna do, ask for her ID?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is truly a small world. VG game tonight: I checked the book, and the visitors' side had........... no names at all. I asked the scorer if the list submitted included names. She said it did, then picked it up and showed it to me. Apparently she didn't care what the names were, and after a moment of consideration I decided I didn't either. Play on. But take this deeper. These teams didn't know each other, but let's say they did. Middle of the second quarter a sub enters. Buzzer sounds and the scorer waves us over. 13's name is wrong in the book. She's not Mary Smith, she's Mary Jones. Let's just say that it's a given that this is illegal. (obviously this issue is in doubt)
Official: "Coach, she says 13's name is wrong in the book."

Coach: "Let me see! Uh..... no! That's her name, yeah that's it, Mary Smith. That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

What are you gonna do, ask for her ID?

Some things are readily handled by the referee of the game, with others it may be better to report them to the governing authority of the contest whether that be the league commissioner, school ADs, or state office. They can always decide to penalize unethical behavior at a later time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is truly a small world. VG game tonight: I checked the book, and the visitors' side had........... no names at all. I asked the scorer if the list submitted included names. She said it did, then picked it up and showed it to me. Apparently she didn't care what the names were, and after a moment of consideration I decided I didn't either. Play on. But take this deeper. These teams didn't know each other, but let's say they did. Middle of the second quarter a sub enters. Buzzer sounds and the scorer waves us over. 13's name is wrong in the book. She's not Mary Smith, she's Mary Jones. Let's just say that it's a given that this is illegal. (obviously this issue is in doubt)
Official: "Coach, she says 13's name is wrong in the book."

Coach: "Let me see! Uh..... no! That's her name, yeah that's it, Mary Smith. That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

What are you gonna do, ask for her ID?

That would probably be an issue for the state and they may very well forfeit the game for playing with a player not actually on the team. But not much more that you can do about it.

The names are there for the opposing team's preparation. The coaches instruct the players who they will guarding. If the roster said the starters were John, Dave, etc. but Brad, Chuck, etc. stepped on the floor wearing the numbers listed as starters, that would be wrong, unfair, and not in the spirit of the game. The purpose of providing the names is for the opposing coach to know who is actually starting. They don't make defensive assignments on numbers but on players.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If the roster said the starters were John, Dave, etc. but Brad, Chuck, etc. stepped on the floor wearing the numbers listed as starters, that would be wrong, unfair, and not in the spirit of the game. The purpose of providing the names is for the opposing coach to know who is actually starting. They don't make defensive assignments on numbers but on players.

If it turned out to be an elaborate ruse like that, I could see going with the T, but not under the rules cited above, but rather as a deliberate unsportsmanlike act. The OP paints a picture of one wrong name, which is not even noticed until after the fact, and quite often might not be noticed/mentioned at all. I don't think the intent and purpose of the rule is for a T here.