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To answer Billy's last question, indeed, I would not penalize. In the case, the player went 2 minutes and then it was discovered. A DQ'd player (barring deliberate attempt to circumvent rules), participating in a game, should not, IMO, ever be penalized as it was the fault of some game official (referee, umpires, table, scorers, etc.).
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My take on it after consideration of all the above discussion: #1. Before ball becomes live = not "participating" #2. After ball becomes live = "participating" #3. During a dead ball period after that = still "participating", therefore meriting a technical foul . . . . . . because the parameters of "will not actually "participate" until the ball becomes live" have been met if discovered after #2. Anytime after that, A5, when discovered, is still, without a definition to the contrary anywhere in the books, A5 is still "participating" if out on the court. That's what I'm thinkin', for now. Though I do respect those who disagree.
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This is the part of 10.5.3 which provides a clear definition of what it means to participate in an NFHS contest: "In (b), A5 will not actually "participate" until the ball becomes live. If detected prior to the ball becoming live, A5 would be directed to the bench and no penalty assessed..."
This rule 10-6-3 also needs to be penalized while being violated. Therefore, it must be caught during a live ball. |
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While it may not be fair not to assess the technical foul, it is what it is. Sorry, coach. |
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1) It is meant to denote a strange or unusual use of the word. My favorite: 2) When you want to imply that the quoted word is dubious. Quotation marks - Grammarist
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So, if the coach was informed, then it could be considered a deliberate attempt to circumvent the rules and a technical foul would be warranted, whether the ball is live or dead.
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Can't believe I did it again. Another fine for too many words coming my way. Sheesh.
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Maybe I am making this too simple. Wouldn't it be better if the coach or table says there is 6 players to stop count both teams and then blow the whistle and call the T? Why are we blowing our whistle because the coach is counting and then counting and saying coach I cant call the T cuz I decided to count after my whistle rather than before my whistle...
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There's got to be a reason, either unsporting, or disqualified player in the game.
10-4-1: Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as yadah yadah yadah ... As with other parts of 10.5.3 SITUATION, the NFHS is unclear as to what type of technical foul to give pre-live ball for a coach deliberately attempting to circumvent the rules by sending in a disqualified player. I'm guessing unsporting. Stupid NFHS rules editors. Stupid 10.5.3 SITUATION.
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Absolutely a great, and simple, interpretation, kind of like Occam's razor. But there are some more complex situations, many are quite rare, but they can occur.
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