HIJAB ISSUE IN MARYLAND PLAYOFF GAME

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Hadn't thought of it (probably because I'm studying for series 7 right now), but I like that better than my idea.

No guarantee that I'd get the right person on the other end of the phone, either. In which case, I'd simply follow the rule.

"Do you have a waiver from the state office?" The answer to that question would guide my next decision.

We had a player in a hijab this year. The coach BROUGHT ME the waiver.

I feel for the officials who are being ridiculed for doing what they're supposed to do -- follow the rules.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

No guarantee that I'd get the right person on the other end of the phone, either. In which case, I'd simply follow the rule.

"Do you have a waiver from the state office?" The answer to that question would guide my next decision.

We had a player in a hijab this year. The coach BROUGHT ME the waiver.

I feel for the officials who are being ridiculed for doing what they're supposed to do -- follow the rules.

Had a player with a medical device (at least thats what i think it was) and the team had a waiver that stipulated it had to be taped over.

Anyone else, like CJP, is just making excuses. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, I don't care, don't justify it with straw men arguments.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by deecee

Had a player with a medical device (at least thats what i think it was) and the team had a waiver that stipulated it had to be taped over.

Anyone else, like CJP, is just making excuses. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, I don't care, don't justify it with straw men arguments.

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

[deecee]

Originally Posted by CJP

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

If you are an official I would say your association needs to train you better. I'm guessing you are not. Your reading comprehension is awful. Medical alert is NOT a medical device. Even these need to be taped up.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by deecee

If you are an official I would say your association needs to train you better. I'm guessing you are not. Your reading comprehension is awful. Medical alert is NOT a medical device. Even these need to be taped up.

My reading comprehension is awful? You brought up the waiver you were presented and didn't know what it was for.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by CJP

My reading comprehension is awful? You brought up the waiver you were presented and didn't know what it was for.

Yes, because in 15 years of officiating some details over the years slip my mind. The point was that the team had documentation waiving the expectation of the rule be enforced for this kid, for this reason. They even had a requirement (taped over) that had to be adhered to.

You can argue semantics all you like, but like has been pointed out before, you are just kicking the can down the road for the next official to deal with these types of things. I get really frustrated when I get a game in February and I have to hear from a coach, "Well none of the other officials this year have said anything." Anything sub varsity I wouldn't care, and would just inform the coach/player that they need to adjust for the next level. At the varsity level I care, and not at the level I care for JC/D3.

JC/D3 I apply the letter of law, as written all times, that's the expectation.

[APG]

Separated the posts w/discussion on hijab into new thread

[bucky]

Originally Posted by CJP

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

But tape required, lol.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by bucky

But tape required, lol.

So.. I would not have asked a kid for a waiver for something that just needs to be covered up by tape.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by CJP

So.. I would not have asked a kid for a waiver for something that just needs to be covered up by tape.

Sounds good to me, but I would neither use the word "waiver" nor the word "something". I do not like the use of waiver as it, by definition, relinquishes something. I would use words like "documentation", "approval", "evidence" (words/derivatives in the rule book) or synonyms. Instead of "something", I would use the words used in the rule book, "religious medal", and "medical alert medal".

Don't mean to split hairs and I also totally understand your view. I was moreso making fun of the semantics surrounding the words that we use (I am guilty too) and now I have even taken this thread too far, lol. No worries, no need to reply, and I am done with this thread.