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Old Wed Mar 15, 2017, 06:41pm
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Actually in this case, it appears that it hadn't been addressed all season. The play-off crew properly addressed it and the state governing body threw them under the bus, as Rich stated.

This falls on the servicing association (MultipleSports??) and the school's AD. Both or either should have addressed this with the state governing body way back in December.
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Old Wed Mar 15, 2017, 07:46pm
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We don't really know that...or at least not for every game. From the the first paragraph of the article, we know that she rarely played. So, the number of officials to have not addressed it may have been very small depending on how many blowouts the the team was involved in.
It only takes one or two games. Somebody would have mentioned it to other officials and it would have got back to the association board members.

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Old Wed Mar 15, 2017, 07:47pm
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Since you put it that way, I would have let her play and told the coach to ensure she gets the waiver next season. It was a loser out game and they had no chance of winning. Common sense.
The decision was made prior to the game not when she tried to check in. Her coach did not inform her of this decision. It's not like it all the sudden popped up at the end of a 30-point blowout or something.

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Old Wed Mar 15, 2017, 07:55pm
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Easy big boy !!!! Not my group or sport !!!!. That comment will cost you lunch in MAY !!!!
But they are your friends, hahaha.

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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:04pm
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i am not asking for it. The kid would have played and none of this would have happened. No one would have mentioned it just like no one mentioned illegal headbands in the state championship game shown on the other thread.

The fact is that there is a religious exception for covering a players head. I am not going to ask someone to prove their religion. That is just me.
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:06pm
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this.
You left out the word "not".
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:42pm
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You left out the word "not".
Grow up. The state association agreed that the kid should have played.
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:10pm
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The State Association better watch what they say. The NFHS has been known to pull seats from rules committees when states don't enforce rules.
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:55pm
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Grow up.
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The state association agreed that the kid should have played.
I don't think you get it. Yes, the kid should have played.

But, when you're talking about varsity basketball, particularly state tournaments, there is a right way to do things and a wrong way. That is why the rules exist and a process exists to obtain a waiver. The coach should have asked for the permission to play. The state almost certainly would have granted it. It is not the official's job to set aside rules because the others botched their job.

In every state tournament I've been part of we have been explicitly told to enforce any and all uniform requirements and, if we don't, expect that it will impact our chances of advancing. While it is certainly not the only criteria, why would any official ignore what they've been explicitly told to do when they're told it will negatively impact them.

The coach and state botched this one, not the officials. They did the job they were hired to do. I would expect the coach and state to do theirs.
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:02pm
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I'm doing exactly as CJP. Let her play. If anyone has a problem with it I'll tell them to file a complaint. I will let my chapter know after the game and they can deal with it.

An aside to the uniform rules, at the state tournament here, they specifically tell the officials not to worry about uniform issues such as headbands. Knowing that, I'm definitely not addressing this issue. And if I'm not the R and in your crew and you want to enforce it, I will voice my disagreement but will support you by not saying a word or being anywhere near the conversation with the coach, that is all you. If I'm the R, we are not addressing it and she is playing.
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Old Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:14pm
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Story was on the local news tonight.

They never mentioned the fact that the rule has been there for a long time, just never enforced. They just leave it hanging that these refs used "bad judgement" enforcing the rule in this game.
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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:41am
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We don't really know that...or at least not for every game. From the the first paragraph of the article, we know that she rarely played. So, the number of officials to have not addressed it may have been very small depending on how many blowouts the the team was involved in.
Are we twiddling our thumbs and looking for hot moms in the stands during warm-ups?

Every prior game allowed for at least one observant, engaged, rules aware official, who should know the uniform rules, to bring this to the attention of the coach and point him in the direction of a legit solution.

It would be incumbent on the coach to pursue the proper waiver instead of peddling the old chestnut, "It was never mentioned all season".

Disgraceful reactions on so many different levels....
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Did anyone ask Maryland why they were throwing their officials under the bus?

Diversity training? Really?

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Did anyone ask Maryland why they were throwing their officials under the bus?

Diversity training? Really?

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Yes, it was insensitive for them to apply the rule.
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Old Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:57pm
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Yes, it was insensitive for them to apply the rule.
Seems to me that it would be insensitive to the wearer to allow the wrap to be worn, because that loose fitting, flowing scarf around her head, neck and onto her shoulders in the Wash Post article looks like the cause of an accident waiting to happen. And, it probably wouldn't end so well for the wearer. Maybe not so well for the defender that gets their hand caught up in it, either.


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