Disagreement with Crew Partner

[wheels]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Was the defender displaced? Was the defender put at any disadvantage by the contact? How is the ball handler fouling a defender when the defender is bigger and does not move?

Again, this is why 4-27 is in the rule book.

Peace

read 4-7-2a

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by wheels

read 4-7-2a

So what did the ball handler do to impede the progress of the opponent? Nothing, they bounced off of them and fell.

Again, you did not read 4-27.

Peace

[BryanV21]

4-7-2a explains a type of foul call, but does not define whether it is indeed a foul or not. I believe you want 4-19-1

[BigT]

Could we sell that travel call and if our partner runs in with a late foul say you were responsible for the defender and they had LGP and we are moving on?

[wheels]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So what did the ball handler do to impede the progress of the opponent? Nothing, they bounced off of them and fell.

Again, you did not read 4-27.

Peace

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes

[Rich]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes!!! And displacement would be required. Knocking them down is not the standard.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

There. I believe you've got it.

[Rich]

I think the problem is that people think that contact must be a foul -- that the foul is a reward somehow.

A foul is designed to penalize an unfair advantage. If you crash off me and fall to the floor, how am I placed at a disadvantage?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think the problem is that people think that contact must be a foul -- that the foul is a reward somehow.

A foul is designed to penalize an unfair advantage. If you crash off me and fall to the floor, how am I placed at a disadvantage?

Exactly. The job of the defense is to stop the offense from scoring, period. If the offense initiates contact that gives them an advantage or displaces the defense, then they've created an advantage that is supposed to be corrected with a foul call.

If the offense initiates contact that only disadvantages the offense, the defense hasn't suffered any injustice that needs corrected.

Next up in the response, the argument that the foul count should some how be considered, and getting closer to the bonus should be used as a rationale for calling the foul.