Disagreement with Crew Partner

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wheels

Why isn't it a PC foul? The defender had LGP and the offensive player ran into her. It's not the defenders fault she didn't go down. The defender took the contact.

A foul isn't just any contact. It requires some displacement or prevention from participating in normal offensive or defensive movements. The defender wasn't at all disadvantaged by this, in fact her presence did the job. It stopped a pg, and likely will make that pg think twice before running into the trees again.

[BryanV21]

Off-topic question, although it was brought up here, so...

I don't see the word "displace" (or a variation of it) in the definition of a foul. I was actually going to use it in my previous post, but didn't after not seeing the word.

Did I simply miss it somewhere?

[wheels]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How was the defender disadvantaged?

The defender was there to take a charge. The offensive was running hard enough to bounce off the defensive player. That has to be a foul. If the defender was not LGP and the offensive player bounces off, I'm sure you would call a blocking foul. Reward the defender for her attaining LGP and taking the contact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Except that the OP called a travel and THEN the partner ran in to "overrule" him.

That changes things, at least it does for me.

That partner's block doesn't overrule my "she had LGP".

That isn't how I read the OP. I read it to be that the other official came in with a block just after the whistle for the travel. Unfortunately "she had LGP" isn't a call to be overruled.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by wheels

The defender was there to take a charge. The offensive was running hard enough to bounce off the defensive player. That has to be a foul. If the defender was not LGP and the offensive player bounces off, I'm sure you would call a blocking foul. Reward the defender for her attaining LGP and taking the contact.

The defender was there to play defense.

If I make calls like that in the real world, I'll be working levels where calls like this are routinely made...and they only hire 2 officials.

[wheels]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Was the defender displaced? Was the defender put at any disadvantage by the contact? How is the ball handler fouling a defender when the defender is bigger and does not move?

Again, this is why 4-27 is in the rule book.

Peace

read 4-7-2a

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

This is a prime example of why I HATE when people pre-game "if there's a body on the floor we MUST have a whistle." No, we don't. Rule 4-27-2 clearly states otherwise.

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Agreed. Hate that statement...better to say "if there's a body on the floor, we must know how they got there"

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Rich

The defender was there to play defense.

If I make calls like that in the real world, I'll be working levels where calls like this are routinely made...and they only hire 2 officials.

So you are penalizing her for being a bigger player and not flopping.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by wheels

read 4-7-2a

So what did the ball handler do to impede the progress of the opponent? Nothing, they bounced off of them and fell.

Again, you did not read 4-27.

Peace

[BryanV21]

4-7-2a explains a type of foul call, but does not define whether it is indeed a foul or not. I believe you want 4-19-1

[BigT]

Could we sell that travel call and if our partner runs in with a late foul say you were responsible for the defender and they had LGP and we are moving on?

[wheels]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So what did the ball handler do to impede the progress of the opponent? Nothing, they bounced off of them and fell.

Again, you did not read 4-27.

Peace

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes

[Rich]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by wheels

This play is not incidental contact play. The defender beat her to the spot. so just because the ball handler wasn't strong enough to knock her down, it not a PC? but if she goes does it is?

Yes!!! And displacement would be required. Knocking them down is not the standard.

Peace