Disconcerting the FT shooter

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've written it many times on this forum. This is not golf. The FT shooter must expect noise. I would ignore it.

IMO, calling something here is looking for trouble that you don't need.

As a side note, I had a coach who would stand next to us while we were practicing FTs and he would scream in our ear. You have to learn to block distractions out.

What "trouble" are you referring to?

The only "trouble" I possibly see is having to deal with an unhappy coach, which is hardly something new for officials that have worked a handful... hell... ANY games.

Otherwise, if the call is supported by rule (which has been shown on this thread), I have no problem with a replacement FT or even a tech.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

What "trouble" are you referring to?

The only "trouble" I possibly see is having to deal with an unhappy coach, which is hardly something new for officials that have worked a handful... hell... ANY games.

Otherwise, if the call is supported by rule (which has been shown on this thread), I have no problem with a replacement FT or even a tech.

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

Being scared to call an obvious disconcertion violation is not a recipe for success either.

[Adam]

Call disconcertion, let the coach know you had a choice between that and a technical foul. Go ahead and tell him it would impact his use of the coaching box.

If they do it again, call the T. If you call the T, also call disconcertion so you get a replacement FT if necessary.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Being scared to call an obvious disconcertion violation is not a recipe for success either.

I'm really scared to call things...

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by stripes

I'm really scared to call things...

I certainly wouldn't say you aren't or wouldn't call this obvious violation because your scared. I have no idea and its not my business….BUT the other potential reasons for not calling it aren't very good either.

[stripes]

I don't have any idea about those who post here (for the most part), but the officials around my area who go looking for things like this to call are the same ones who wonder why they never get selected to go to the state tournament.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by stripes

I don't have any idea about those who post here (for the most part), but the officials around my area who go looking for things like this to call are the same ones who wonder why they never get selected to go to the state tournament.

The OP isnt something that you go looking for. It finds you. It fits the obvious rule quite nicely.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stripes

I don't have any idea about those who post here (for the most part), but the officials around my area who go looking for things like this to call are the same ones who wonder why they never get selected to go to the state tournament.

The same can be said for those who shy away from calling the obvious stuff because they don't want to be noticed (or some other crap). Sure, don't go looking for stuff, but when stuff finds you it needs to be handled.

Most here who have said the T is an option have also said they (we) would go with disconcertion first. Call the disconcertion and it will shut down quickly; advise the coach that it could have just as easily have been a T.

Of course, then he'll instruct his bench to do it while seated.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stripes

I don't have any idea about those who post here (for the most part), but the officials around my area who go looking for things like this to call are the same ones who wonder why they never get selected to go to the state tournament.

You need to expand your circle....and quit being so impressed with yourself.

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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by stripes

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

A replacement FT is all you need. It was an obvious disconcertion. Complete BS basketball. There doesn't need to be a T on the players for standing but as I said earlier, if that coach bit..s, tell him that's his other choice. Let him choose. Now, if you don't give a replacement FT you will likely have to give a T at some point, to the other coach. Not dealing with idiots will screw up your game.

Dealing with people is one thing, but this play happened unexpectedly. Telling them not to do it again isn't doing your job. It cost the other team a FT. Give it back to them and then tell the others not to do it again. Work with people when you can but penalize when necessary.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by stripes

Looking for opportunities to call Ts will open a can of worms you don't want open.

If you think my advice is crap, don't use it. I am speaking from 20+ years (and 1000s of games) of experience. I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

I don't think your advice is crap. I seriously want to know what type of trouble you're referring to, because I can't imagine something happening that I can't handle.

By calling the T you're not doing anything the rules don't back you up on. Angry coaches... angry players... angry fans... what's new? I think we can deal with those things. The only things we couldn't deal with are assignors who are angry with you kicking a call, or doing something not supported by the rules.

Just because something doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it's wrong to do.

BTW, I've given three Ts in the past three years. I avoid giving them whenever possible. And in this situation I'd probably do the same thing. However, others may not feel the same way. Which is fine. Because... like I and others have said... the rule book supports them.

[walt]

I would not immediately issue the "T' but would definitely rule disconcertion and warn the bench by talking to the head coach. If that doesn't get the message across, the next time they do it, the "T" will.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by stripes

I have watched many officials try to be the person who was going to be an enforcer. None of them has been very successful as an official, while those who learn to manage games have been very successful.

There are lots of ways to manage this situation. Calling a T is one of them...but probably not the best one. Learn to manage people and situations effectively if you want to be successful as an official.

IMHO ignoring is not the same as managing. I'm not sure if that's how you're advocating handling this, but it seems like it. This must be dealt with in order to manage the game and that will require someone being the enforcer that you deride.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am joining this thread late, but I would recommend that we all take a look at this thread from 2003: https://forum.officiating.com/basket...day-night.html

MTD, Sr.