Travel or not?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

NCAA Mens Rule Book: Rule 9, Section 5, Art. 7. It is traveling when a player falls to the playing court while holding the ball without maintaining a pivot foot.

There was no pivot foot to maintain in this play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There was no pivot foot to maintain in this play.

Exactly. The player didn't meet the requirements to avoid the travel. To avoid a travel when falling, the player must maintain a pivot foot. Not having one, the player clearly didn't maintain one. Therefore, the player traveled.

[Adam]

NFHS, this is a travel. I'd have to double check the wording tonight, but touching the floor with anything other than the feet or hands is a travel. The exception is when a player gains control of the ball while already on the floor. An airborne player who gets control prior to falling does not qualify for the exception, so it's a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Exactly. The player didn't meet the requirements to avoid the travel. To avoid a travel when falling, the player must maintain a pivot foot. Not having one, the player clearly didn't maintain one. Therefore, the player traveled.

Maintain means you've already attained or gained something. You can't maintain something you never had.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maintain means you've already attained or gained something. You can't maintain something you never had.

Exactly. And that means it is a travel since it required to maintain a pivot foot when falling to the floor in order for it to not be a travel. It is impossibe to mee the requirement if there is no pivot foot to be maintained.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Exactly. And that means it is a travel since it required to maintain a pivot foot when falling to the floor in order for it to not be a travel. It is impossibe to mee the requirement if there is no pivot foot to be maintained.

In order to maintain a pivot foot one must first establish one. Once they fall to the floor they can establish a pivot foot and have to maintain it if they want to get up.

The travel rule for college and high school are not the same. They are written differently and are interpreted differently.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In order to maintain a pivot foot one must first establish one. Once they fall to the floor they can establish a pivot foot and have to maintain it if they want to get up.

The travel rule for college and high school are not the same. They are written differently and are interpreted differently.

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They are different in that they allow a player with a pivot foot to fall if they can maintain it, but otherwise the same. And that is consistent with how I've seen it called in both HS and College.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They are different in that they allow a player with a pivot foot to fall if they can maintain it, but otherwise the same. And that is consistent with how I've seen it called in both HS and College.

The dictionary definition of "maintain" supports BNRs position. It is to continue something etc. I understand your position. Frankly, i don't think I've ever seen or will ever see the play described. A foot is going to hit at some point and when it does it becomes the pivot foot. It will move. That's why it's always called travel in high school and colllege.(or because in college folks assume falling is travel)

If this were a test question based only on the wording of the rule "maintaining" then I'm with BNR. Now the rules folks may not have meant it that way but that is what the language they have used means.