NCAAM 10-second violation application...

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

When I pay attention, I notice the game clock immediately goes from ##:00 to ##:59. The shot does not immediately go from 30 to 29 when it starts.

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

That's true on game clocks that will show tenths of seconds when under a minute. Non-NBA shot clocks do not have that luxury, so they are programmed to display what I said earlier. Otherwise, there could not be an immediate horn when the shot clock goes to zero.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

That's true on game clocks that will show tenths of seconds when under a minute. Non-NBA shot clocks do not have that luxury, so they are programmed to display what I said earlier. Otherwise, there could not be an immediate horn when the shot clock goes to zero.

Are they programmed differently than game clocks?

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Are they programmed differently than game clocks?

Yes.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

Yes.

Perfect. Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Are they programmed differently than game clocks?

When a GAME clock shows 25, there is really 25.0 - 25.9 on the clock (most modern clocks; there are still some around that work like shot clocks). That's why on a clock without 1/10s, the clock shows zero a second before the horn sounds.

When a SHOT clock shows 25, there is really 24.1 - 25.0 on the clock. That's why the horn sounds instantly when the clock hits zero.

And, I don't think (most) consoles show 1/10s for the shot clock; many do for the game clock (even if the scoreboard doesn't).

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

When a GAME clock shows 25, there is really 25.0 - 25.9 on the clock (most modern clocks; there are still some around that work like shot clocks). That's why on a clock without 1/10s, the clock shows zero a second before the horn sounds.

When a SHOT clock shows 25, there is really 24.1 - 25.0 on the clock. That's why the horn sounds instantly when the clock hits zero.

And, I don't think (most) consoles show 1/10s for the shot clock; many do for the game clock (even if the scoreboard doesn't).

Got it. I've never worked with a shot clock, but this makes total sense and is exactly the answer I was hoping to get.