NCAAM 10-second violation application...

[MechanicGuy]

On a straight forward inbounds play (full shot clock), are the officials trained to call the violation at 20 on the clock or 19?

I ask because the clock showing 20 can mean anything from 9.1 or 10 seconds have elapsed. 19 assures a full 10 seconds.

It was called near the end of the Maryland/Hawaii game with, I believe, 20 showing on the shot clock.

[Raymond]

By rule, when 20 seconds shows on the shot clock.

[Archetype]

20. At 20 on shot clock, 10 seconds has elapsed.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Archetype

20. At 20 on shot clock, 10 seconds has elapsed.

When the clock first turns to 20, it's actually at 20.9.....

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

By rule, when 20 seconds shows on the shot clock.

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

Who cares what the time actually is, that is how the rule is enforced.

And that is assuming you stop the clock perfectly at the 20 second mark.

Peace

[Drizzle]

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I don't believe that is correct. Most clocks that I have seen that show tenths of a second, if you look at the time on the game clock that is displayed to everyone in the facility before you have less than a minute remaining, when it shows seven minutes and 59 seconds remaining, and you look at the display on the timekeepers console, it may say that there is seven minutes and 59.6 seconds, or whatever. I think that is the point the original poster is trying to make.

When I pay attention, I notice the game clock immediately goes from ##:00 to ##:59. The shot does not immediately go from 30 to 29 when it starts.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Am I crazy or has this changed the 10-second violation to a 9.1 second violation?

I think it is 10 but as someone else said its just a number. It can actually be even less. The shot clock starts on the touch not possession.
(Having some timing issues in the northern Iowa v a and m game)

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Ok. Having never worked with a shot clock before, can someone tell me if the console at the table shows tenths of a second on the operator's console at the table?


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[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think it is 10 but as someone else said its just a number. It can actually be even less. The shot clock starts on the touch not possession.

I thought the game clock started on the touch, but shot clock was on possession.


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[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I thought the game clock started on the touch, but shot clock was on possession.


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On the touch by either team when throw in involved. Shot clock starts.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BigCat

On the touch by either team when throw in involved. Shot clock starts.

What about jump ball?


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[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Drizzle

It's a full 10 seconds when the shot clock hits 20. A second has elapsed when it goes from 30 to 29 (i.e. showing "30" means clock has between 30.0 & 29.1 seconds left).

I don't think so. On a clock without tenths, it will change from 30 to 29 instantaneously

Have you ever worked in a gym where the clock can show 0 without the horn going off?