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Read the OP - break it into a sequence: 1. A1 is awarded 2 free throws 2. After the first free throw, B1 rebounds the ball and goes to the other end and scores. Now look at the applicable rules: 1. By rule, the ball becomes immediately dead when it is clear the first free throw attempt will be unsuccessful if a second attempt is to follow. 2. By rule, a goal can only be scored when the ball is live. Finally, review the rules on how a ball can become live, and tell us how a ball that is dead by rule after the first FT is missed suddenly becomes live again so B1 could take it down court and score. Please provide a rule citation. The only way the ball would remain live after the miss on the first attempt is if the officials erroneously indicated only one free throw, and there is absolutely nothing in the OP to support that.
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2-10-5. consumed time, points scored etc is not nullified. read the rule and the case plays. Tim, If we follow your argument …the ball is dead after the first FT and remains dead, then how would it ever be alive again? Play could go on for another 2 quarters…but the ball was dead after the first FT. Your argument renders the portion of the rule which says the error must be recognized during the first dead ball after the clock has started meaningless. A shoots the first FT, officials let play continue, clock starts…but your analysis says the ball is still dead. The ball is supposed to be dead or remain dead after the first FT but when it doesn't that is the error. Last edited by BigCat; Wed Feb 17, 2016 at 11:45am. |
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Please review the rule on how a ball can become live and provide a rule citation how the dead ball on the miss suddenly became live so B1 could score. The only way would be if the officials erroneously indicated only 1 free throw when there should have been two, and there is absolutely nothing in the OP to support this.
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When the play involves failure to award a merited Ft and the officials allow play to continue, clock to run…they are treating the ball as live. B dribbling down to the other end is a live ball..clock started. When B makes the basket…that is the first dead ball after the clock started. When the ball is at As disposal it is live again... too late to correct the error. If everything goes according to plan the ball is dead after the first FT but when there is a screwup and they don't treat the ball as dead the rules change. The language the official chooses, one shot or two, doesn't affect the situation. If the player is supposed to get two and doesn't…play goes on…that is the error and the ball is treated as live. |
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Did the clock start? nothing in the OP says it did....even if it did, the clock starting does not make the ball live. Again, please provide a rule citation on how the dead ball on the miss suddenly became live so B1 could run down court and score. The correctable error rule specifies how, when and what you may correct when play has resumed before a correctable error is recognized. That's not the situation in the OP - play never resumed.
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See 2.10.1G where "erroneously the ball is allowed to remain in play." That sounds a lot like the OP.
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Don't think I'd go with a T - just consider it a brain fart on the part of B1, disregard his "goal" and proceed with A1's 2nd FT. Now if he went to the other end and dunked the ball, we might have a T for dunking a dead ball.....
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Tim sounds an awful lot like another member of this forum that was too stubborn to listen to veteran officials tell him he was wrong over, and over, and over...
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That's not what the OP meant. He was asking about a correctable error. If officials know and recognize there's another FT they would have blown whistle when B started dribbling. Had they recognized it they wouldn't have allowed him to dribble all the way down the court and shoot. And.. if I blew my whistle after a FT and a kid continued on down the floor and didn't stop there would certainly be a T. |
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The officials recognized it immediately thereafter - there was no interim play. Because it was immediate, I maintain that the best way to handle it is to disallow B1's "goal" and proceed with A1's 2nd free throw. I can easily justify that by rule as previously cited. "Coach, A1 was awarded two free throws. By rule the ball was dead when the first was missed and you can't score a goal when the ball is dead so B1's rebound and goal doesn't count. We're proceeding with A1's 2nd free throw."
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