Charge Or Block

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't see how you can have a no-call here. Either the dribbler knocked over the defender, or the defender came forward or into the dribbler's path. I'm usually all for holding a whistle while a dribbler drives the lane, but that contact is too much to let go.

Girls fall down all the time. I can't tell if there was any contact from this angle. If there was, it looks like a block. If there was minimal or no contact, then no call.

[lamarr1958]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Girls fall down all the time. I can't tell if there was any contact from this angle. If there was, it looks like a block. If there was minimal or no contact, then no call.

Yes, girls fall down all of the time and this looks like one of them. I don't know this official so all I know if I was looking at this game with an official I was mentoring the first thing I would say is that you are too far away to see that call. At best he is at the division line when he makes the call. Allow the C to get that play. Trust her judgement since the play is coming to her. Also for you to call a PC foul on A1, did she go "to and through" B2? My answer here would be no. Incidental contact on this play for me.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by lamarr1958

Yes, girls fall down all of the time and this looks like one of them. I don't know this official so all I know if I was looking at this game with an official I was mentoring the first thing I would say is that you are too far away to see that call. At best he is at the division line when he makes the call. Allow the C to get that play. Trust her judgement since the play is coming to her. Also for you to call a PC foul on A1, did she go "to and through" B2? My answer here would be no. Incidental contact on this play for me.

He saw it or he didn't. Oh, how many times I've heard this and the person saying it is wrong because the call was right

What on earth is to and through? Sounds like a weird definition of how to call a PC. You have no idea what the calling official had. Maybe a cheap shot with an elbow. Our view on this play is complete garbage and looks like a no-call. Who knows what he saw.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Dad

He saw it or he didn't. Oh, how many times I've heard this and the person saying it is wrong because the call was right

What on earth is to and through? Sounds like a weird definition of how to call a PC. You have no idea what the calling official had. Maybe a cheap shot with an elbow. Our view on this play is complete garbage and looks like a no-call. Who knows what he saw.

Sadly I do believe that the farther one is from the point of the call the greater the likelihood for getting it wrong.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

Sadly I do believe that the farther one is from the point of the call the greater the likelihood for getting it wrong.

I don't disagree -- harder to get the *right* angle and the odds of bodies being in the way is higher.

Of course you can be too close, too.

[rickyss10]

I have a block. But I am inclined to think this is a two man crew and the L is late getting back into position. It should have her call, whether she was the C or L.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rickyss10

I have a block. But I am inclined to think this is a two man crew and the L is late getting back into position. It should have her call, whether she was the C or L.

No chance that this is a 2-person crew.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by deecee

Sadly I do believe that the farther one is from the point of the call the greater the likelihood for getting it wrong.

I completely agree, but that should go through every official's mind when making calls. There are still calls I can make from 60 feet away.

[lamarr1958]

Originally Posted by Dad

He saw it or he didn't. Oh, how many times I've heard this and the person saying it is wrong because the call was right

What on earth is to and through? Sounds like a weird definition of how to call a PC. You have no idea what the calling official had. Maybe a cheap shot with an elbow. Our view on this play is complete garbage and looks like a no-call. Who knows what he saw.

I am not going to argue about a definition on how to call a player control foul that you may not have heard. A definition I have heard in many pre-games and I have also used in many. If I told you I heard it from both Kenny (During a talk we had he lives near me) and Tommy Mauer (In a camp I attended) would it still be weird? And I disagree with you about our view on this play is complete garbage. If this video was me at the trail making this call I would still disagree with it. That's all I have to say.

[bob jenkins]

"To and through" *used to be* a good guideline. I *think* that it's been cahnged so the "through" part isn't really required. It's more like "to and into the vertical space with enough contact to basue an advantage" -- but that isn't as mnemonic.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by lamarr1958

If I told you I heard it from both Kenny (During a talk we had he lives near me) and Tommy Mauer (In a camp I attended) would it still be weird?

Yes, and I would've called out either of them to explain it to me. Taken literally it's doing no good for me, so I'm guessing I just don't get it.