Charge Or Block

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Disagree. He's not in the backcourt and the contact occurs at the FT line. To say that he is calling something in the paint from the backcourt is embellishing, just a bit.

And his angle on the court is better than that of the camera to get a look between the players and see if there was any displacement from the arm of the offensive player. So he definitely could have seen something that led him to the PC call.

Now, absent any displacement with the arm its an obvious blocking foul.

OK, you're right, he comes into the frontcourt after the contact just in time to blow the whistle....and, ok, it was at the FT line. Last time I checked, the FT line was considered in the paint.

Either way, he is way too far from that play to be credible. It wasn't like those players were gazelles. I would have expected him to be well into the frontcourt before contact with the pace those players were going, not just as he blows the whistle from over 30 feet away.

[VaTerp]

I agree that he should be closer to the play and there is no reason for him to still be hanging out at halfcourt, especially in this game.

But he still could have had a look at the offensive players off arm. That's the ONLY thing he could be seeing that could make this a PC. Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

The fact that he made this call, the video leaving open the possibility and lack of reaction from the bench and players has me thinking there had to be something there. Otherwise its an egregious missed call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK, you're right, he comes into the frontcourt after the contact just in time to blow the whistle....and, ok, it was at the FT line. Last time I checked, the FT line was considered in the paint.

Either way, he is way too far from that play to be credible. It wasn't like those players were gazelles. I would have expected him to be well into the frontcourt before contact with the pace those players were going, not just as he blows the whistle from over 30 feet away.

I think there's no way to say if he's credible or not. He probably has a way better view than we do.

I can't even think of a reason to call a block on this play, ever, from this angle. Offense got by just fine and the defense magically falls over.

It's very likely that this is either a flop or the trail saw the offensive player do something with her right arm that we can't see. I'll give the calling official the benefit of the doubt since he probably has a better angle than we do.

[deecee]

looks like should have been a no call. The T making that call would be the last guy that should have had a whistle. And for the record he was in the backcourt when he blew the whistle.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by deecee

looks like should have been a no call. The T making that call would be the last guy that should have had a whistle. And for the record he was in the backcourt when he blew the whistle.

If he sees between the players he could very well have the best view.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by deecee

looks like should have been a no call. The T making that call would be the last guy that should have had a whistle. And for the record he was in the backcourt when he blew the whistle.

Originally Posted by Dad

If he sees between the players he could very well have the best view.

Even if he sees between the players this wasn't one of those game-changing, crew-saving calls to help a C and T who had brain lock. It's minimal contact that's 30 feet away from him in someone else's primary. Leave that alone.

[VaTerp]

I can see a no call here but in a game with this low skill level that amount of contact can be disadvantageous and it appears to be an obvious block in the context of the thread title.

We can all agree that the T's positioning and mechanics leave a lot to be desired but I disagree with those that say this isnt his primary. He should be much closer to the play but its the entire play is in his primary and its the T's play all the way.

And again, I'm guessing/hoping that there is some contact with the ball-handler's off arm. Otherwise, it is not just a missed call. Its a mind- boggling, horrific call that I would not expect from even the least experienced and/or worst sub-varsity officials I see.

I'm going with the likelihood that there was some contact we couldnt see from the camera angle over the likelihood that this was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

We can all agree that the T's positioning and mechanics leave a lot to be desired but I disagree with those that say this isnt his primary. He should be much closer to the play but its the entire play is in his primary and its the T's play all the way.

It is only his primary if he is in the right position to have assumed coverage of his that area. Until he is in the frontcourt, that is area largely the responsibility of the L or C (whoever is in the frontcourt).

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Even if he sees between the players this wasn't one of those game-changing, crew-saving calls to help a C and T who had brain lock. It's minimal contact that's 30 feet away from him in someone else's primary. Leave that alone.

This doesn't have anything to do with a crew-saving call, whatever that is. The calling official likely saw something that needed a whistle. Unless an official is known for being awful, I'm going to assume there was a good reason for the whistle.

[Kelvin green]

I go with block. His credibility is not that high just because of the black band on his wrist

[HokiePaul]

Looked like maybe a carry first, but hard to tell. I'm not sure how the official got a placer control foul unless he saw something from his angle that we can't from the video (like a right hand/forarm pushing off). It should be a block from the angle we have (although from the angle we have in the video, I probably pass and let my partner(s) take it).

[MechanicGuy]

I can't believe we've discussed this play so much when it's coming from a poster who I'm pretty sure just wants us to confirm that officials miss calls against his daughter.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by deecee

looks like should have been a no call. The T making that call would be the last guy that should have had a whistle. And for the record he was in the backcourt when he blew the whistle.

I don't see how you can have a no-call here. Either the dribbler knocked over the defender, or the defender came forward or into the dribbler's path. I'm usually all for holding a whistle while a dribbler drives the lane, but that contact is too much to let go.

I'm sure this is a Roman Law thing, but I actually have a bigger problem with the mechanics than the ruling. Here, the fist has to be up first.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't see how you can have a no-call here. Either the dribbler knocked over the defender, or the defender came forward or into the dribbler's path. I'm usually all for holding a whistle while a dribbler drives the lane, but that contact is too much to let go.

I'm sure this is a Roman Law thing, but I actually have a bigger problem with the mechanics than the ruling. Here, the fist has to be up first.

Easy no call, the contact didn't give the dribble and advantage/disadvantage and the white player that collapsed is just standard operating procedure in a HS girls game (at least from what I remember). I mean who falls that way, she crumpled up.

[Rich]

I'd give this to the C -- semi-transition, right near the top of the key (a step inside). Problem is, she slows to a stop WELL BEFORE the FT line extended and isn't engaged at all.

Can't think of a single reason why she wouldn't run to the FTLE and then stop, really.

The ball is coming up the floor slowly. No reason the T or the C should be so far behind the play.