play at the plate UNC vs. NC State

[SWFLguy]

Re: no ejection.
I was thinking that if either or both the players had used profanity or said something personal to the PU, they would have been gone. Later in the game they replayed the conversation between the PU and the NC State coach. The umpire made it clear that any more complaining would end up with ejection. That ended the issue right there. I'd work with that guy any day.

[Rich]

I will never work the CWS, so my opinion isn't really relevant.

I thought the mask spike and the glove spike crossed the line, personally. When I see that I wonder if there actually is anything that would get a player ejected in that game. Drawn line with a bat? Dropping an F-bomb at the umpire?

Like I said, doesn't really matter what I think -- I couldn't hold Burleson's jock.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich

I will never work the CWS, so my opinion isn't really relevant.

I thought the mask spike and the glove spike crossed the line, personally. When I see that I wonder if there actually is anything that would get a player ejected in that game. Drawn line with a bat? Dropping an F-bomb at the umpire?

Like I said, doesn't really matter what I think -- I couldn't hold Burleson's jock.

exactly what I thought at the time -- and I thought initially that at least one of the players had been ejected.

I'll bet it comes up in the videos at the meetings next spring

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

exactly what I thought at the time -- and I thought initially that at least one of the players had been ejected.

I'll bet it comes up in the videos at the meetings next spring

And I hope someone has the balls to ask the question, "Why weren't they ejected?"

I thought Burleson dealt with the coach extremely well.

[David B]

Originally Posted by Rich

And I hope someone has the balls to ask the question, "Why weren't they ejected?"

I thought Burleson dealt with the coach extremely well.

Good point - it was a great call but should have been an ejection also. Will be interesting to see how NCAA handles that for next year - bet its going to be a POE or something of that nature.

Thanks
David

[jicecone]

Sometimes you have to understand what you are there to do. Umpire a game.

Both of the players threw their equipment out of frustration. Not as much with the umpires call as with the outcome of what they expected the call to be. GOOD players, that work hard in important games have emotions just like everyone else. Sometimes you as an official have to stand back and let that frustration happen, deal with it and move on.

If you can't, then your telling the rest of the world that you don't belong in that situation. You lack the confidence as an official, in controlling a contest at any given moment and you either need to eject someone because of a preconceived idea that it will make you look better, or it is the only way you know, how to handle a situation. You need seasoning and your definetly not ready to handle the game in question.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Sometimes you have to understand what you are there to do. Umpire a game.

Both of the players threw their equipment out of frustration. Not as much with the umpires call as with the outcome of what they expected the call to be. GOOD players, that work hard in important games have emotions just like everyone else. Sometimes you as an official have to stand back and let that frustration happen, deal with it and move on.

If you can't, then your telling the rest of the world that you don't belong in that situation. You lack the confidence as an official, in controlling a contest at any given moment and you either need to eject someone because of a preconceived idea that it will make you look better, or it is the only way you know, how to handle a situation. You need seasoning and your definetly not ready to handle the game in question.

There is certainly some truth to the fact the the leash is a little longer on an immediate emotional reaction to a play like this. Certainly (I think) had one of the players yelled "no way. he was out. You have to see that" and THEN thrown the glove / mask, thre would have been an ejection.

The question though, is whether the "long leash" extends to that much of a display.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Sometimes you have to understand what you are there to do. Umpire a game.

Both of the players threw their equipment out of frustration. Not as much with the umpires call as with the outcome of what they expected the call to be. GOOD players, that work hard in important games have emotions just like everyone else. Sometimes you as an official have to stand back and let that frustration happen, deal with it and move on.

If you can't, then your telling the rest of the world that you don't belong in that situation. You lack the confidence as an official, in controlling a contest at any given moment and you either need to eject someone because of a preconceived idea that it will make you look better, or it is the only way you know, how to handle a situation. You need seasoning and your definetly not ready to handle the game in question.

I disagree to a point. I certainly expect one-half of the players and coaches involved in a game to be frustrated or upset with any close call like this one. I also expect a certain amount of that frustration to come out. But throwing down the mask and glove crosses the line into showing me up and that is not something I am going to allow. Very few others can hear what is said, but the action of throwing the equipment is visible for all to see. That needs to be dealt with. I would have expected an ejection on this play.

With all of that being said, I also understand the "big game, big stage" side of the discussion and calling and managing the game the way your superiors instruct you to. It would certainly be interesting to hear the post game dissection of this play and the reactions to it between the crew and the NCAA observers.