Beards & Umpires

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Well where was it going to spread to? We only had so many states. Slavery was a constant source of consternation among the northern and southern states. It wasn't the reason the first shot was fired to start the Civil War.

Yes I took plenty of history in school, and didn't sleep through it. That's why I know what I'm talking about, and you don't.

Uhhh, I don't know? Those territories in the west that were all about to become states?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes but there were writings of his that made it clear he did not find Blacks as equals. Which at the end of the day is what racism is when you believe that they are not your equal as a white person.

But honestly who cares, this has nothing to do with the original post.

Peace

You're right, and I didn't mean to imply he thought that blacks were absolute equals.

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

So why the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 two years after the start of the war?

Mainly because he thought he could hurt the South economically by issuing the proclamation. The E.P. made it clear that abolition was a main goal of the war (So much for the argument about "The Civil War was not about slavery!"). It was issued because he thought it would help to win the war and reunite the country.

I never said Lincoln hated slavery and was an abolitionist, because neither were true. I said that the Civil War started in part because of slavery. The two are different.

[kylejt]

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by kylejt

So what are ya sayin'? Pretty subtle there Kyle!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Uhhh, I don't know? Those territories in the west that were all about to become states?



You're right, and I didn't mean to imply he thought that blacks were absolute equals.



Mainly because he thought he could hurt the South economically by issuing the proclamation. The E.P. made it clear that abolition was a main goal of the war (So much for the argument about "The Civil War was not about slavery!"). It was issued because he thought it would help to win the war and reunite the country.

I never said Lincoln hated slavery and was an abolitionist, because neither were true. I said that the Civil War started in part because of slavery. The two are different.

The beginning of the end of the war was on this date in history, July 3, 1863, with Lee's folly of invading the North in Gettysburg, PA. and he was defeated soundly.

BTW-You're wrong in your assessment. The southern states DIDN"T want a strong central government. The Emancipation Proclamation only made the slaves in the Confederate states free. A lot good that did then.