Beards & Umpires

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Evolutionist or creationist?

Realist!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Well where was it going to spread to? We only had so many states. Slavery was a constant source of consternation among the northern and southern states. It wasn't the reason the first shot was fired to start the Civil War.

Yes I took plenty of history in school, and didn't sleep through it. That's why I know what I'm talking about, and you don't.

Uhhh, I don't know? Those territories in the west that were all about to become states?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes but there were writings of his that made it clear he did not find Blacks as equals. Which at the end of the day is what racism is when you believe that they are not your equal as a white person.

But honestly who cares, this has nothing to do with the original post.

Peace

You're right, and I didn't mean to imply he thought that blacks were absolute equals.

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

So why the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 two years after the start of the war?

Mainly because he thought he could hurt the South economically by issuing the proclamation. The E.P. made it clear that abolition was a main goal of the war (So much for the argument about "The Civil War was not about slavery!"). It was issued because he thought it would help to win the war and reunite the country.

I never said Lincoln hated slavery and was an abolitionist, because neither were true. I said that the Civil War started in part because of slavery. The two are different.

[kylejt]

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by kylejt

So what are ya sayin'? Pretty subtle there Kyle!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Uhhh, I don't know? Those territories in the west that were all about to become states?



You're right, and I didn't mean to imply he thought that blacks were absolute equals.



Mainly because he thought he could hurt the South economically by issuing the proclamation. The E.P. made it clear that abolition was a main goal of the war (So much for the argument about "The Civil War was not about slavery!"). It was issued because he thought it would help to win the war and reunite the country.

I never said Lincoln hated slavery and was an abolitionist, because neither were true. I said that the Civil War started in part because of slavery. The two are different.

The beginning of the end of the war was on this date in history, July 3, 1863, with Lee's folly of invading the North in Gettysburg, PA. and he was defeated soundly.

BTW-You're wrong in your assessment. The southern states DIDN"T want a strong central government. The Emancipation Proclamation only made the slaves in the Confederate states free. A lot good that did then.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Realist!

God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is no. As real as it gets right there.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is no. As real as it gets right there.

+1.

Anybody shocked?

[ozzy6900]

I love how I asked a simple question and got about 1/2 a page of actual answers with 3 1/2 pages of pure Bull$hit! You people are pathetic!

[Dave Reed]

Well, the very first post in this thread makes reference to ZZ Top. I guess the thread went off the rails right from the start!

In other words, one person's amusing aside is another person's pure Bull$hit.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Well, the very first post in this thread makes reference to ZZ Top. I guess the thread went off the rails right from the start!

In other words, one person's amusing aside is another person's pure Bull$hit.

Yeah, Billy, Dusty, and Frank don't umpire baseball last I checked.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yeah, Billy, Dusty, and Frank don't umpire baseball last I checked.

And a lot of guys we reference do not also umpire either. I have also never seen a ZZ Top look-a-like individual ever umpire a HS game for sure and I would have to think of someone that did a youth game looking like that as well. Usually most would never look that way in most areas or professions. I also do not agree that the conversation is total BS, when you introduce a topic that has many facets to it and usually it is considered an issue of trustworthiness.

Peace

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I love how I asked a simple question and got about 1/2 a page of actual answers with 3 1/2 pages of pure Bull$hit! You people are pathetic!

You get what you give...................

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yeah, Billy, Dusty, and Frank don't umpire baseball last I checked.

I ran into those guys and their entourage once in Kansas City. They were at a blues club to hear Charlie Musselwhite. Quite a scene, and their entourage (babes right out of their videos and muscle) did not seem to be as into the music as they did.

They were pretty recognizable. I didn't ask whether they umpire.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

The beginning of the end of the war was on this date in history, July 3, 1863, with Lee's folly of invading the North in Gettysburg, PA. and he was defeated soundly.

BTW-You're wrong in your assessment. The southern states DIDN"T want a strong central government. The Emancipation Proclamation only made the slaves in the Confederate states free. A lot good that did then.

Where did I say that the Confederates wanted a strong central government? I know full well what they wanted.

Whether it actually worked or not, the E.P. was intended to hurt the South's economy by eliminating slave labor. (Which kept it going in the first place) It wouldn't have mattered anyway because the South's economy was already in shambles by 1863. Their money was worthless and Europe didn't need their cotton like they had hoped.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Where did I say that the Confederates wanted a strong central government? I know full well what they wanted.

Whether it actually worked or not, the E.P. was intended to hurt the South's economy by eliminating slave labor. (Which kept it going in the first place) It wouldn't have mattered anyway because the South's economy was already in shambles by 1863. Their money was worthless and Europe didn't need their cotton like they had hoped.

Thanks for the quote from Gone With the Wind.

Sherman's march to the sea, and the Union blockade had more to do with the South's economy than the Emancipation Proclamation. If Lee wins at Gettysburg, the South could have very well won the war. It wasn't like the Civil War was popular in the North to begin with.

We've been in debt since the American Revolution. Give a huge shout out to France and Spain.