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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 03:48pm
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Does run count
Major league rules VFW teener game: Runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out. Batter hits fly ball shallow center, fielder makes diving catch both runners take off. Catch is good now 2out.

Appeal is made on runner on 2nd leaving early and it was upheld, 3rd out. Does score of runner on 3rd count???
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 03:52pm
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Yes, as long as the R3 hits the plate before the ball was caught at second.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 04:24pm
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Yes, as long as the R3 hits the plate before the ball was caught at second.
And they don't appeal for a 4th out

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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 04:40pm
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And they don't appeal for a 4th out

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You can appeal a fourth out here but if it was for leaving early it would still be a time play and the run would score.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 05:04pm
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You can appeal a fourth out here but if it was for leaving early it would still be a time play and the run would score.
They'd be appealing R3 - that would kill the run if upheld.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 05:12pm
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4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made
(1) by the batter runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or
(3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

None of these exceptions apply in this situation



7.10 Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when-(a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged; "Retouch," in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.


Verdict....If runner touches plate before throw (appeal throw) arrives at 2nd and barring an appeal on another runner....score him.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 05:24pm
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They'd be appealing R3 - that would kill the run if upheld.
Yep, didn't pay attention that R3 would be the next appeal.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 07:40pm
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And they don't appeal for a 4th out

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The OP does not say R3 left early.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 09:16pm
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The OP does not say R3 left early.
Appeal it anyway.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 10:22pm
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Appeal it anyway.
The Rat approach.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 11:25pm
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The Rat approach.
The normal approach.

Watch the players, not the umpires.
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Old Wed May 23, 2012, 11:48pm
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The normal approach.

Watch the players, not the umpires.

No mention of R3 leaving early. Appealing something you know didn't happen is the Rat approach. If that is normal for you, enough said.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 06:32am
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No mention of R3 leaving early. Appealing something you know didn't happen is the Rat approach. If that is normal for you, enough said.
The rat approach is appealing it and then complaining about how the umpires weren't watching the tag up since they "missed" the call.

I've never been a coach, but I guarantee this -- if I ever do coach, I *will* watch to see if a base umpire watches touches of bases and if he doesn't do his job (as so many around me where I live don't) I would appeal missed bases all day. It's one of my pet peeves with other umpires and I secretly hope coaches appeal on these guys cause maybe it would drive home how important it is to look at the touches of bases.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 09:12am
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No mention of R3 leaving early. Appealing something you know didn't happen is the Rat approach. If that is normal for you, enough said.
You need to watch more games.
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Old Thu May 24, 2012, 10:03am
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You need to watch more games.

Hardly. I've seen enough to know to know that this happens...frequently. To coaches it's part of the game. None the less, it's indicative of the way Rats think....appeal something that did not happen and let's see if we can get away with something.

It's no coincidence that it was posted by a coach.
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