Does run count

3ump · #1 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 03:48pm

Major league rules VFW teener game: Runners on 2nd and 3rd, one out. Batter hits fly ball shallow center, fielder makes diving catch both runners take off. Catch is good now 2out.

Appeal is made on runner on 2nd leaving early and it was upheld, 3rd out. Does score of runner on 3rd count???

kylejt · #2 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 03:52pm

Yes, as long as the R3 hits the plate before the ball was caught at second.

jdmara · #3 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 04:24pm

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Originally Posted by kylejt

Yes, as long as the R3 hits the plate before the ball was caught at second.

And they don't appeal for a 4th out

-Josh

umpjim · #4 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by jdmara

And they don't appeal for a 4th out

-Josh

You can appeal a fourth out here but if it was for leaving early it would still be a time play and the run would score.

Rich Ives · #5 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by umpjim

You can appeal a fourth out here but if it was for leaving early it would still be a time play and the run would score.

They'd be appealing R3 - that would kill the run if upheld.

rbmartin · #6 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 05:12pm

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made
(1) by the batter runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or
(3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

None of these exceptions apply in this situation

7.10 Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when-(a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged; "Retouch," in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.

Verdict....If runner touches plate before throw (appeal throw) arrives at 2nd and barring an appeal on another runner....score him.

umpjim · #7 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 05:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

They'd be appealing R3 - that would kill the run if upheld.

Yep, didn't pay attention that R3 would be the next appeal.

mbyron · #8 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 07:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara

And they don't appeal for a 4th out

-Josh

The OP does not say R3 left early.

Rich Ives · #9 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron

The OP does not say R3 left early.

Appeal it anyway.

MrUmpire · #10 (**permalink**) Wed May 23, 2012, 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Appeal it anyway.

The Rat approach.

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