Does run count

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3ump

...guys do we debate baseball or what....some seem to be going after each other, in fun I hope.

Nah, this the #1 sniping umpire forum on the Net. Didn't you get the memo?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Nah, this the #1 sniping umpire forum on the Net. Didn't you get the memo?

I don't think there was a memo--just a clause in the will of McGriff's.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

It may not seem so, but I've been here since 2000. I'm not a fan of Rich's posts when he acts like umpires are a necessary evil, but there's no reason we need to stoop to his level, either.

I have worked a lot of Little League as well as a lot of HS and college baseball. There's no need to disparage any particular level.

Agree!

[3ump]

VFW ball major league rules: Runner on first ball hit to centerfield, fielder makes good catch at shoe tops and comes up throwing to get runner before return to first . Ball goes out of play and runner (a) touches back on first or (b) seeing ball go out of play goes onto third.

Second part of question: If scenario (b) once ball is put back in play can defense appeal that runner never tug up before advancing and would appeal be upheld.

[waltjp]

Yes, the defense can appeal the runner leaving too soon when the ball is put back in play.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by 3ump

where does runner belong

VFW ball major league rules: Runner on first ball hit to centerfield, fielder makes good catch at shoe tops and comes up throwing to get runner before return to first . Ball goes out of play and runner (a) touches back on first or (b) seeing ball go out of play goes onto third.

Second part of question: If scenario (b) once ball is put back in play can defense appeal that runner never tug up before advancing and would appeal be upheld.

In both (a) and (b), the runner is awarded 3B; the award is based on the runner's position at the time of the throw and thus doesn't matter whether he was advancing or returning and whether or not he completed the retouch. But the runner must still properly retouch 1B or be in jeopardy of an appeal for leaving early on the caught fly.