Ejection

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I think your UIC needs some backbone - this is bad advice.

It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.

Anything under the breath, or something like "damn" without God preceding it. Something that isn't directed at the umpire, or with gestures. These examples come to mind. I find profanity on the ball field unacceptable at the youth ball level. I usually will tell players to knock it off, unless it is said so everyone can hear it and it shows me up in any way.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.

Profanity that is loud enough for others to hear but not directed at me or a result of a call might qualify (such as anger at one's self after a swing and a miss, or maybe even after hurting themselves (although I suspect my cursometer would be a little more lenient in the latter as compared to the former). Or perhaps a non-F-Bomb cuss word that was quiet enough that only I heard it.

You're asking us to define borderline - this might be an exercise in squeezing butter.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature?...

Any and all. They're just words.

My rule is, "Don't call me names." By that standard, "You blind bat" is on equal footing with "You stupid MFer" and you're getting tossed for either one.

A loud "F-CK!" for taking a called third right down the middle doesn't disrespect me, the opponent, or do anything to gain an illegal advantage, so why should I care? If I wanted to teach social graces, I would've chosen a different profession.

My ejections are all in two categories: can't get him to leave any other way (protracted), and name-calling (personal). Profane without being one of the other two doesn't bother me in the least.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Publius

Any and all. They're just words.

My rule is, "Don't call me names." By that standard, "You blind bat" is on equal footing with "You stupid MFer" and you're getting tossed for either one.

A loud "F-CK!" for taking a called third right down the middle doesn't disrespect me, the opponent, or do anything to gain an illegal advantage, so why should I care? If I wanted to teach social graces, I would've chosen a different profession.

My ejections are all in two categories: can't get him to leave any other way (protracted), and name-calling (personal). Profane without being one of the other two doesn't bother me in the least.

A loud F-Bomb needs to be penalized at the HS level and below.

[RPatrino]

If you adhere to the philosophy that the field is an extension of the classroom, then we must eject for profanity.

For argument sake, what would happen if a student just received an "F" on a test and yelled **** loud enough for the whole classroom to hear?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

If you adhere to the philosophy that the field is an extension of the classroom, then we must eject for profanity.

For argument sake, what would happen if a student just received an "F" on a test and yelled **** loud enough for the whole classroom to hear?

I don't adhere to the philosophy. I've never seen a teacher yell at a student the way I see football, basketball, and baseball coaches yell at players.

[asdf]

So, do you think a loud F-Bomb (heard by all in attendance) by a high school player is permissable?

[gpdeppert]

Originally Posted by asdf

So, do you think a loud F-Bomb (heard by all in attendance) by a high school player is permissable?

A loud F-Bomb gets a player or coach tossed. Period. 3-3-1-g-2 (NFHS). Penalty is ejection.

If it is said low enough such that only I and the catcher can hear, then I would exercise some preventive officiating and warn the offender and maybe let the coach know (discreetly) that a warning has been issued. If it is so loud that everyone can hear it, you have no choice. Dump them.

If you don't, then you can be accused of selective rule enforcement. Plus, what would you do if a kid or coach on the other team lets loose with an F-bomb loud enough for all to hear? You can't dump THEM.

"Nip it in the bud!" - Barney Fife.

[RPatrino]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I don't adhere to the philosophy. I've never seen a teacher yell at a student the way I see football, basketball, and baseball coaches yell at players.

You obviously never met my geometry teacher.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Publius

Any and all. They're just words.

My rule is, "Don't call me names." By that standard, "You blind bat" is on equal footing with "You stupid MFer" and you're getting tossed for either one.

A loud "F-CK!" for taking a called third right down the middle doesn't disrespect me, the opponent, or do anything to gain an illegal advantage, so why should I care? If I wanted to teach social graces, I would've chosen a different profession.

My ejections are all in two categories: can't get him to leave any other way (protracted), and name-calling (personal). Profane without being one of the other two doesn't bother me in the least.

Don't you just work pro ball? F-bombs in HS ball are not acceptable, and if they are loud enough for small children (and anyone whose ears aren't garbage cans) in the crowd to hear, the offender is going away.