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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 09:43am
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It seems to me as if coaches and players are getting more bold as the years go along.
That's because not enough guys dump them when they need to be dumped.
Your EJ on the player was a no-brainer. The coach should have left as well.

Until they go when they need to go, they'll keep on acting like they do.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 11:37am
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That's because not enough guys dump them when they need to be dumped.
Your EJ on the player was a no-brainer. The coach should have left as well.

Until they go when they need to go, they'll keep on acting like they do.
Great reply, Sir. I couldn't agree more. Even without the cursing, I think the hands stretched out like that is trying to "show up" the Umpire.
While just for that, I probably wouldn't have tossed him, I would have warned him by saying "Knock it off, if you want to stay in this game!!!"
The swearing just makes it a "no brainer". Otherwise he tries to get away with a little more from the next crew.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 04:07pm
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What??????????????

If you're working HS varsity baseball, and you need affirmative on the dumping the base runner, you might be in over your head.

If the head coach thinks you have rabbit ears, and tells you such, you should nip it in bud immediately, or at least restrict him to bench at the very least. He should be discipling his player, not making excuses, and blaming the ejection on you.

Always remember, the less you say, the less you have to account for in an ejection report.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 06:26pm
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Well the reason I was looking for confirmation was in the review session with the UIC he felt as if I should have gave a team warning first. While backing me on the ejection his response to it was if he was officiating that he would have asked the player what he said and if the player repeated himself or lead on then he would have ejected. If he said nothing then he would have issued a warning and if something happened later he would eject. While not disagreeing with my ejection he felt as if he would have given the player a chance to redeem himself. In my opinion if a player cusses me on a field I am going to eject regardless of the situation though.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 06:39pm
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Good toss, no warning for disrespectively addressing an umpire and if was not he will be more careful next time, but we all know he was.

No tolerance for assistants in my state who want to argue anything. They don't deserve an explanation, only HC can get one if they ask nicely. If asst argues a call restrict him and the HC to the dugout for remainder. That is the rule around here.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 07:00pm
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The player ejection was good as it sounds like he was loud enough for all to hear. That old line that he wasn't talking to you is just BS. There is no warning needed before ejection.

You mad a mistake talking to the assistant coach. I tell assistant coaches to get back in their box and if they don't, they too, are ejected. I only speak to the HC.

If the HC comes to you after the fact, "Coach, that play is in the past and I am not discussing it." and walk away. If he continues to follow and push the issue, give him a choice - restriction or ejection.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 09:44pm
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Well the reason I was looking for confirmation was in the review session with the UIC he felt as if I should have gave a team warning first. While backing me on the ejection his response to it was if he was officiating that he would have asked the player what he said and if the player repeated himself or lead on then he would have ejected. If he said nothing then he would have issued a warning and if something happened later he would eject. While not disagreeing with my ejection he felt as if he would have given the player a chance to redeem himself. In my opinion if a player cusses me on a field I am going to eject regardless of the situation though.
No offense to your UIC, but I believe he is full of it. He is advocating baiting the player into repeating the swearing. By doing so, you would open yourself up to much more scrutiny. Then the coach could rightfully claim that you baited his player into swearing twice. You already heard what he said, you didn't need it repeated. Your opinion was and is correct. This is HS baseball, and the participants are not allowed to vent using swear words. In adult ball, college ball, pro ball, whatever...saying "Bullsh*t" is nothing at all, even if in your direction. The point is that HS children are not adults, and are not to be permitted to speak to adults in such a disrespectful manner. Hopefully, this young stud learned a lesson about talking to his elders.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 12:51pm
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Well the reason I was looking for confirmation was in the review session with the UIC he felt as if I should have gave a team warning first.
I think your UIC needs some backbone - this is bad advice.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 01:05pm
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I think your UIC needs some backbone - this is bad advice.
It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 02:04pm
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It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.
Anything under the breath, or something like "damn" without God preceding it. Something that isn't directed at the umpire, or with gestures. These examples come to mind. I find profanity on the ball field unacceptable at the youth ball level. I usually will tell players to knock it off, unless it is said so everyone can hear it and it shows me up in any way.
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It is bad advice because the rule does not provide an option for a team warning, only a warning to the offender (and only if the offense is minor).

To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature? In other words, what profane statement would result in a warning for the first offense rather than an ejection? Just curious.
Profanity that is loud enough for others to hear but not directed at me or a result of a call might qualify (such as anger at one's self after a swing and a miss, or maybe even after hurting themselves (although I suspect my cursometer would be a little more lenient in the latter as compared to the former). Or perhaps a non-F-Bomb cuss word that was quiet enough that only I heard it.

You're asking us to define borderline - this might be an exercise in squeezing butter.
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 06:22pm
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To the other posters: What would be an example of profanity you would consider minor in nature?...
Any and all. They're just words.

My rule is, "Don't call me names." By that standard, "You blind bat" is on equal footing with "You stupid MFer" and you're getting tossed for either one.

A loud "F-CK!" for taking a called third right down the middle doesn't disrespect me, the opponent, or do anything to gain an illegal advantage, so why should I care? If I wanted to teach social graces, I would've chosen a different profession.

My ejections are all in two categories: can't get him to leave any other way (protracted), and name-calling (personal). Profane without being one of the other two doesn't bother me in the least.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 10:38pm
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If you're working HS varsity baseball, and you need affirmative on the dumping the base runner, you might be in over your head.
I would agree with this BUT- In the last few years I have seen waaaay more "veterans" (guys repeating their first year for the fifteenth time) that allow this kind of behavior. It's a poor example, and I have no problem with an official posting here and being affirmed that, yes, there are plenty of officials who penalize unsportsmanklike behavior with the appropriate sanction. YMMV.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 02:41am
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Steve I agree with you that it seems like you are baiting the player if you do as the UIC suggested. I believe that it was a good ejection and given the situation again I will probably do the same as I did. There is no reason why a high school aged athlete should use profanity toward an official and not get reprimanded. Maybe now he will think twice before smarting off to a call. The sad part of this is that the play was not even close as he was clearly out.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 06:29am
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The sad part of this is that the play was not even close as he was clearly out.
That's not sad at all. It's like a teaspoon of sugar with the medicine.
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