Situations

[MikeStrybel]

Ejecting a player who throws his helmet to the fence and then kicks it is not poaching. It is a rule violation enforceable by any umpire on the field. The PU may have prevented kindling from becoming a fire.

I don't recall the thread but another member related how his partner ejected the on deck batter for mocking the PU. I think he said the guy held his nose and then kissed the palm of his hand and smacked his butt to the delight of his fans. The PU had seen it but figured he could take care of it when the kid stepped into the box. I remember a couple people saying that the BU was poaching too. Situation handled, score not kept for umpires.

[kylejt]

Mike, by rule you're correct. But it just makes the BU look weak when the PU takes care of the BU's business.

[MikeStrybel]

I don't think it makes a fellow umpire any weaker than when we confer and the original call is overturned. In the end, the correct call is made.

In the OP, if the ejection is handled correctly it is not a big deal. The entire field can see why he is no longer involved in the contest. Good communications with the kid's HC helps.

I once tossed a kid who had hit a double and was dusting off at second after a head first slide. I signalled "Time" and the kid stepped off, tossed his shin protector to the HC who had jogged in from his box. The coach asked about an exchange he had with the PU during his at bat. The kid said something like, "That m-----f----- said he wanted me back in the box or he would call a strike. I told him to wait. I was getting signs. F--- him." The HC was looking right at me, five feet behind the kid. I shook my head and said, "Skip, get a new runner. He's done." This was an NJCAA game and the ejection costly as it was the first of a conference DH. My partner didn't know what happened until I reported the ejection. He was thankful I had his back. I could have conferred during halves and let him search and destroy. We simply call what we see and let the game play out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Mike, by rule you're correct. But it just makes the BU look weak when the PU takes care of the BU's business.

And it makes the entire crew look weak when NOBODY takes care of business. As the PU, I would've calmly ended the BR's day after giving the BU the opportunity first.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And it makes the entire crew look weak when NOBODY takes care of business. As the PU, I would've calmly ended the BR's day after giving the BU the opportunity first.

Agreed. Somebody has to deal with it. And that somebody is the BU. And if the BU isn't going to hike up his big boy pants and deal with, yeah, the PU needs to step in. It just looks bad, that's all.

[ozzy6900]

Okay, BR doesn't like his out call:

• BR gets vocal - leave it to the BU
• BR gets animated - still leave it to the BU
• BR launches his helmet - if the BU doesn't handle it, the the PU steps in and makes the ejection.

There are two ways the PU can handle this:

1. Straight out hook
2. Get the manager's attention and let him know that the BR is done for the day.

Once the player starts throwing things, someone has to deal with it because we (as officials) must be concerned about safety of the players, coaches and fans. Pretty much, when a player goes this far and your partner doesn't deal with the problem, then you have to. Otherwise you both look like fools.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Okay, BR doesn't like his out call:
There are two ways the PU can handle this:

1. Straight out hook
2. Get the manager's attention and let him know that the BR is done for the day.

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

Yup. The "I ejected him but look how cute I'm being by not letting everyone know he's ejected" is some weird by-product of the "if the umpire's noticed, he's doing a bad job" line of nonsense. When I eject someone I don't have to spin like a top, but I *am* going to let everyone know I've ejected someone by giving an ejection mechanic.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Yup. The "I ejected him but look how cute I'm being by not letting everyone know he's ejected" is some weird by-product of the "if the umpire's noticed, he's doing a bad job" line of nonsense. When I eject someone I don't have to spin like a top, but I *am* going to let everyone know I've ejected someone by giving an ejection mechanic.

+1

I've never understood the "secret ejection" mechanic some propose here. I'm not saying we need to be the show or escalate tempers ... but an ejection on a player that threw his equipment doesn't need to be a secret one.

[BigUmp56]

I'm not saying that I'm in any way hesitant to make a statement ejection when it's warranted. But to do it in this situation from well over 100' from the player is making yourself bigger than the game and showing your partner up. The message is sent loud enough to the offending player, his coaches, and his teammates. I don't care if your partner is a pussy, you don't need to let everyone else know YOU think he's a pussy too. And if you do choose to make a scene over an ejection that your partner should have made, be prepared to make the rest of his calls for the day, because whatever little respect both teams might have had for your partner just went out the window.

Tim.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm not saying that I'm in any way hesitant to make a statement ejection when it's warranted. But to do it in this situation from well over 100' from the player is making yourself bigger than the game and showing your partner up. The message is sent loud enough to the offending player, his coaches, and his teammates. I don't care if your partner is a pussy, you don't need to let everyone else know YOU think he's a pussy too. And if you do choose to make a scene over an ejection that your partner should have made, be prepared to make the rest of his calls for the day, because whatever little respect both teams might have had for your partner just went out the window.

Tim.

I definitely am not advocating making a scene... but a kid throwing equipment doesn't deserve the stealth ejection either, regardless of whether the proper umpire makes it.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

Really? I wasn't aware that we were supposed to be in the business of teaching. I'm a big believer in repsonding to the madness. If a kid throws his helmet and then kicks it before entering the dugout, I'm pretty sure everyone in the park saw his display. There is no need for a dramatic dump. Keeping a level head and asking questions ("Skip, who is going to go in for #24?") controls the situation. The lineup card is a prop for reaffirming the need but also necessary for not wasting time later.