Situations

[ozzy6900]

Okay, BR doesn't like his out call:

• BR gets vocal - leave it to the BU
• BR gets animated - still leave it to the BU
• BR launches his helmet - if the BU doesn't handle it, the the PU steps in and makes the ejection.

There are two ways the PU can handle this:

1. Straight out hook
2. Get the manager's attention and let him know that the BR is done for the day.

Once the player starts throwing things, someone has to deal with it because we (as officials) must be concerned about safety of the players, coaches and fans. Pretty much, when a player goes this far and your partner doesn't deal with the problem, then you have to. Otherwise you both look like fools.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Okay, BR doesn't like his out call:
There are two ways the PU can handle this:

1. Straight out hook
2. Get the manager's attention and let him know that the BR is done for the day.

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

Yup. The "I ejected him but look how cute I'm being by not letting everyone know he's ejected" is some weird by-product of the "if the umpire's noticed, he's doing a bad job" line of nonsense. When I eject someone I don't have to spin like a top, but I *am* going to let everyone know I've ejected someone by giving an ejection mechanic.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Yup. The "I ejected him but look how cute I'm being by not letting everyone know he's ejected" is some weird by-product of the "if the umpire's noticed, he's doing a bad job" line of nonsense. When I eject someone I don't have to spin like a top, but I *am* going to let everyone know I've ejected someone by giving an ejection mechanic.

+1

I've never understood the "secret ejection" mechanic some propose here. I'm not saying we need to be the show or escalate tempers ... but an ejection on a player that threw his equipment doesn't need to be a secret one.

[BigUmp56]

I'm not saying that I'm in any way hesitant to make a statement ejection when it's warranted. But to do it in this situation from well over 100' from the player is making yourself bigger than the game and showing your partner up. The message is sent loud enough to the offending player, his coaches, and his teammates. I don't care if your partner is a pussy, you don't need to let everyone else know YOU think he's a pussy too. And if you do choose to make a scene over an ejection that your partner should have made, be prepared to make the rest of his calls for the day, because whatever little respect both teams might have had for your partner just went out the window.

Tim.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I'm not saying that I'm in any way hesitant to make a statement ejection when it's warranted. But to do it in this situation from well over 100' from the player is making yourself bigger than the game and showing your partner up. The message is sent loud enough to the offending player, his coaches, and his teammates. I don't care if your partner is a pussy, you don't need to let everyone else know YOU think he's a pussy too. And if you do choose to make a scene over an ejection that your partner should have made, be prepared to make the rest of his calls for the day, because whatever little respect both teams might have had for your partner just went out the window.

Tim.

I definitely am not advocating making a scene... but a kid throwing equipment doesn't deserve the stealth ejection either, regardless of whether the proper umpire makes it.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I definitely am not advocating making a scene... but a kid throwing equipment doesn't deserve the stealth ejection either, regardless of whether the proper umpire makes it.

What additional message is sent, Mike, that isn't sent with a quiet ejection?

I'm half way with you here. By that I mean that if this player was half way between the two of us (partner and I), I would have wound up to run the player.

But he was over a hundred feet away in this play, and it's stepping all over your partner to launch the player loudly.

And let me add that if an umpire working in our association were to do something like this in front of one of our evaluators, there would be a follow up *** chewing.


Tim.

[MikeStrybel]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Launch him and make everyone know it's not allowed. By bringing the coach over and doing it over a lineup change doesn't send a direct message that the behavior isn't tolerated.

Really? I wasn't aware that we were supposed to be in the business of teaching. I'm a big believer in repsonding to the madness. If a kid throws his helmet and then kicks it before entering the dugout, I'm pretty sure everyone in the park saw his display. There is no need for a dramatic dump. Keeping a level head and asking questions ("Skip, who is going to go in for #24?") controls the situation. The lineup card is a prop for reaffirming the need but also necessary for not wasting time later.