WP on ball four, does run count?

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by SAump

Game over.

4.09a states once a run has legally scored, it cannot be erased, no matter how hard one tries.

VM protests game (like Nemec says he should have).

ETA: there are lots of ways "legal runs" can get erased on appeal.
ETA: 4.09(b)...the umpire shall not declare the game over until the runner has touched home and the B/R has touched first [it the situation of a game ending on a bases loaded walk or HBP].

[SAump]

Remember the ball 4, R2 overruns 3rd base and is tagged out before R3 scores case play? Ruling run scores, out ends the inning.

Same ruling I have in this play, run scores, out at first on appeal. But that would not erase the winning run.

[Larry1953]

Originally Posted by SAump

Remember the ball 4, R2 overruns 3rd base and is tagged out before R3 scores case play? Ruling run scores, out ends the inning.

Same ruling I have in this play, run scores, out at first on appeal. But that would not erase the winning run.

I also remember a rule that says a run cannot score if the third out is made by retiring the B/R before he touches first.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAump

Remember the ball 4, R2 overruns 3rd base and is tagged out before R3 scores case play? Ruling run scores, out ends the inning.

Same ruling I have in this play, run scores, out at first on appeal. But that would not erase the winning run.

In Larry's play, the out at first (if there is one) is the third out of the inning, so no runs would score. Surely you can see how an out at first is different from a non-force out at third.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

VM protests game (like Nemec says he should have).

ETA: there are lots of ways "legal runs" can get erased on appeal.
ETA: 4.09(b)...the umpire shall not declare the game over until the runner has touched home and the B/R has touched first [it the situation of a game ending on a bases loaded walk or HBP].

Recently, similar play in state playoff game. Protest on B/R's actions was not allowed to erase winning run. Perhaps someone can provide newspaper clipping.