Timing play or not?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

I've heard a lot of quality instructors say "timing",

Have you ever heard it called a timing play by instructors or owners at proschool?

... it's a matter of timing, not time.

No, it's a matter of time.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Have you ever heard it called a timing play by instructors or owners at proschool?

Yes, and much worse.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Yes, and much worse.

Incredible.

I went to JEAPU and the Jim and his instructors never referred to it as anything but a time play. And they corrected students who said timing play.

It has stuck with me since.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Incredible.

I went to JEAPU and the Jim and his instructors never referred to it as anything but a time play. And they corrected students who said timing play.

It has stuck with me since.

They also stubbornly refuse to use the terms A, B, C, and D as base umpire positions on the field, so I guess we should never use those either.

[greymule]

Grammatically, a case could be made for either time or timing, but the former is the baseball term.

The one that bothers me most is check instead of checked swing. Saying "a check swing" is like saying "a bake potato" or "a close-minded person."

But I'm an editor, and I can testify that even the Ivy League professors write, "This policy lead to a decrease in crime."

It is indeed hard to believe that anybody doing college ball would not know the rule for the OP. Many people don't know it, but it's in the rule book in black and white, and it's the same in all codes; you don't need J/R or Evans to figure it out. Still, I can think of several rules that I never fully understood until a few years ago (thanks to this forum). I can also remember a few times when I had to explain to a long-time umpire something that I had thought was common knowledge.

"There was one involving Cleveland a while back where they added the run back on the board later in the game."

And a few years ago, R1 had rounded 2B and was on his way to 3B when an outfielder made a diving catch. The MLB umpires called R1 out on appeal at second base and later admitted their error.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

They also stubbornly refuse to use the terms A, B, C, and D as base umpire positions on the field, so I guess we should never use those either.

Jim acknowledged and discussed their use in amateur ball. Then he explained why he and other professional instructors, including those at PBUC choose not to use them.

It would be more accurate to say they use a different system. The use of the word "stubborn" implies that they refuse to use a superior system. They (professionals) do not believe it to be superior. They believe they are using what works best for their purposes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Jim acknowledged and discussed their use in amateur ball. Then he explained why he and other professional instructors, including those at PBUC chose not to use them.

It would be more accurate to say they use a different system. The use of the word "stubborn" implies that they refuse to use a superior system. They (professionals) do not believe it to be superior.

They aren't always right.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

They aren't always right.

Nor are they necessarily stubborn...nor necessarily wrong. They are different with a reason.

And I've never heard them refer to those who disagree as wrong or stubborn. So in my book they are least more understanding and tolerant.