Infield Fly

[kylejt]

This is the PUs call, and the BU needs to stay away from it.

The O manager needs to protest this call to get the BU involved. That's when all the umpires get together, and come up with a ruling. Now unless the BU was the UIC for this game, it sounds like you'd come up with the same, stupid, ruling. I don't know the affiliation of this game to figure out if there was a higher source for this protest to go to.

OP, you need to print out this thread, and show it to your PU. This was nothing but a foul ball, and he SHOULD know this.

[tibear]

Not sure, if the O manager needs to ask the PU to ask for help. If the BU thinks there is a misapplication of a rule, shouldn't he call time and discuss with his partner.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by kylejt

This is the PUs call, and the BU needs to stay away from it.

Fair/foul is the PU's call. Why is an out for IFF PU's call?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Fair/foul is the PU's call. Why is an out for IFF PU's call?

Because the pesky rulebook says so.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Because the pesky rulebook says so.

mbcrowder,

WTF are you talking about?

Cite, please. I must have missed that part.

JM

[thristycamel]

OK guys, I now understand what I need to do in the future. I will call time
and let my partner know what I saw and also tell them that the ruling
was wrong, and if they want to change it fine and if not fine also. Its not a
judgement call so an attempt to make it right is expected of me, but I must
make sure I never show my partner up even if he is butt head.
Thanks for all the input and the different opinions.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by thristycamel

OK guys, I now understand what I need to do in the future. I will call time
and let my partner know what I saw and also tell them that the ruling
was wrong, and if they want to change it fine and if not fine also. Its not a
judgement call so an attempt to make it right is expected of me, but I must
make sure I never show my partner up even if he is butt head.
Thanks for all the input and the different opinions.

Correct. Note that in games where the UIC is other than the plate umpire, you might get a slightly different answer.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

mbcrowder,

WTF are you talking about?

Cite, please. I must have missed that part.

JM

Huh? I know you've been around when we discussed this before. Besides, what are you going to do in this particular sitch - yell out after he's said IFF, "No, No, it's Infield Fly if Fair!!!" Rulebook says not to overrule partner's call. He made the IFF call, it's his call.

Fixing the misapplied RULE, however, is either umpire's duty.

[PeteBooth]

if you have a hard a** for a partner you DO NOT get into a pi****g match on the field.

Let the manager do "his" job and protest the call (if the league has protest procedures in place) If they do not, have a post game in the parking lot.

if this "clown" doesn't KNOW the IFR then make certain you do not work with him again as there are other rules which are way more complicated then the IFR.

In a nutshell you DO NOT get into an argument with your partner on the field.

Pete Booth

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Rulebook says not to overrule partner's call. He made the IFF call, it's his call.

Fixing the misapplied RULE, however, is either umpire's duty.

The fact that he made an IFF call is neither here nor there. The fact that he called an out for IFF on a foul ball is the problem, and I agree with your last statement. This needs to be fixed.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

mbcrowder,

WTF are you talking about?

Cite, please. I must have missed that part.

JM

I agree. It is not a pesky rule book thing. It is a mechanic thing........

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Fair/foul is the PU's call. Why is an out for IFF PU's call?

I wasn't clear, sorry.

Of course, either umpire can call the IFF. But once the PU called the IFF, then called it foul, and banged the BR out, he owns this call. Moving in from the BU position, to talk about the call goes against protocol.

I guess it comes down to when is a partner coming to help, when is he waiting to be asked for help, and when do you expect the manager come out and either request the original umpire get assistance, or protest. Me, I want the manager to do HIS job in this squaredance.