Is that fair?

[bsaucer]

Is any portion of the batter's box in fair territory? Assuming so, if the batter stands with one foot in the fair portion of the box, and his batted ball hits this foot, what is the ruling?

[UmpJM]

bsaucer,

Originally Posted by bsaucer

Is any portion of the batter's box in fair territory?

Yes.

Assuming so, if the batter stands with one foot in the fair portion of the box, and his batted ball hits this foot, what is the ruling?

FOUL!!

JM

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by bsaucer

Is any portion of the batter's box in fair territory? Assuming so, if the batter stands with one foot in the fair portion of the box, and his batted ball hits this foot, what is the ruling?

Just over 13% of the total size of the box.

Ditto to what JM said.

[ozzy6900]

Unless the batter is Tiny Tim, some part of him is going to be in foul territory and that's all it takes to make a ball foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Unless the batter is Tiny Tim, some part of him is going to be in foul territory and that's all it takes to make a ball foul.

I don't follow.

By (a literal reading of the) rule, the batter would be out if he's hit by a fair ball in fair territory. It wouldn't matter that one foot (the foot not hit by the ball) was in foul territory.

By interp, it's foul if it hits the batter while the batter is still in the box. It's a common question for newer umpires.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't follow.

By (a literal reading of the) rule, the batter would be out if he's hit by a fair ball in fair territory. It wouldn't matter that one foot (the foot not hit by the ball) was in foul territory.

By interp, it's foul if it hits the batter while the batter is still in the box. It's a common question for newer umpires.

In Fed, it is plainly written, though. OBR, there's nothing to defend the "in the box" rule.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Unless the batter is Tiny Tim, some part of him is going to be in foul territory and that's all it takes to make a ball foul.

What? Whatever happened to "it's the location of the ball, not the player"?

As Bob said, it's by interpretation and tradition that we call a foul when a batter is hit while in the box, regardless of where in the box.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

What? Whatever happened to "it's the location of the ball, not the player"?

As Bob said, it's by interpretation and tradition that we call a foul when a batter is hit while in the box, regardless of where in the box.

Unless the batter is hit with his fair ball while he has one foot on the ground completely out of the batter's box. The new rules will reflect this currently enforced interpretation.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by UmpTTS43

Unless the batter is hit with his fair ball while he has one foot on the ground completely out of the batter's box. The new rules will reflect this currently enforced interpretation.

If he's hit with his foot completely out of the batter's box, he's not in the batter's box.

[dash_riprock]

I believe the rule says: "If the batter is hit by his own batted ball when he is anywhere near the batter's box, it shall be ruled a foul ball, and the call shall be sold strongly."

The "foot completely out of the box" stuff is a different rule. It applies only at the moment the bat hits the ball.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I believe the rule says: "If the batter is hit by his own batted ball when he is anywhere near the batter's box, it shall be ruled a foul ball, and the call shall be sold strongly."

The "foot completely out of the box" stuff is a different rule. It applies only at the moment the bat hits the ball.

The new rule in the memo floating around says (added text in the rule is in blue):

6.05

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The new rule in the memo floating around says (added text in the rule is in blue):

6.05

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

That doesn't make any sense. 6.03 defines the batter's initial position in the box (both feet within the lines). The rule is more lenient when he contacts the ball with the bat (no foot can be on the ground completely out of the box). This means the batter can hit the ball while legally in the box, be hit by the ball and be called out for being hit by a fair ball while out of the box.

I like my version better.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The new rule in the memo floating around says (added text in the rule is in blue):

6.05

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

I think the same rules change has an interp (or something) that if the batter has one foot on the ground outside the batters box when he's hit (and assuming the ball is over fair terrotory when it hits him), the batter is out.

There has been discussion in the past whther one foot or two feet were required to be out of the box before the batter could be out.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I believe the rule says: "If the batter is hit by his own batted ball when he is anywhere near the batter's box, it shall be ruled a foul ball, and the call shall be sold strongly."

C'mon Dash, now you're just makin' sh*t up. There is NO rule that says that. That is not even an official interp. Not a rule in OBR, NCAA, or FED.

Or is this another case where my chain is being yanked?

[dash_riprock]

It was a chain yank. It is also a very common (unwritten) interp.