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Old Wed Jul 29, 2009, 11:12am
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A runner not "immediately" returning to 1st after attaining 1st is an appealable play (7.10c). If the BR is obviously heading toward his dugout, I will recognize the tag and bang him out. Similar situation where BR passes 1st and stops to remove all of his batting gear. If he or the base is tagged, he is out on appeal.

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7.08j Any runner is out when ..... He fails to return at once to first base after overrunning or oversliding that base. If he attempts to run to second he is out when tagged. If, after overrunning or oversliding first base he starts toward the dugout, or toward his position, and fails to return to first base at once, he is out, on appeal, when he or the base is tagged;

7.08a2 PLAY. Runner believing he is called out on a tag at first or third base starts for the dugout and progresses a reasonable distance still indicating by his actions that he is out, shall be declared out for abandoning the bases.
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Old Wed Jul 29, 2009, 11:37am
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Similar situation where BR passes 1st and stops to remove all of his batting gear. If he or the base is tagged, he is out on appeal.
Ouch...bet that makes for a nice sh*tstorm.
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Old Wed Jul 29, 2009, 11:42am
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Ouch...bet that makes for a nice sh*tstorm.
I'm sure it would be. I have never called it, but it is something in my toolbox that I have at my disposal should I ever "deem" it necessary to call it.
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Old Thu Jul 30, 2009, 11:49am
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I'm sure it would be. I have never called it, but it is something in my toolbox that I have at my disposal should I ever "deem" it necessary to call it.
YGBSM.

Better leave that 'tool' in your box...
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Old Thu Jul 30, 2009, 03:34pm
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YGBSM.

Better leave that 'tool' in your box...
This is not a call that is voluntarily made by the umpire. The ruling is a result of the defense appealing the infraction. My ruling concerning this infraction will take into count different criteria, including whether or not it is a valid appeal, whether or not the defense is nit picking, whether or not the offense is a PITA, or as in the case of the original OP, the BR is in the process of abandoning his base, etc. If this appeal ever comes up, and it never has in over 1000 games of all levels, I will make an appropriate ruling. Even though I have not had the opportunity to rule on this appeal, I know that there are acceptable and unacceptable ways to handle situations that involve this particular rule. So no, I am sh*tting you and this "tool" will remain in my toolbox.
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Old Thu Jul 30, 2009, 05:56pm
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My ruling concerning this infraction will take into count different criteria, including whether or not it is a valid appeal, whether or not the defense is nit picking, whether or not the offense is a PITA, or as in the case of the original OP, the BR is in the process of abandoning his base, etc.
So, you plan on just making things up as you go, huh?
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Old Fri Jul 31, 2009, 01:29pm
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and this "tool" will remain in my toolbox.
ah, good, you are taking my advice, then.
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Old Fri Jul 31, 2009, 02:33pm
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This is not a call that is voluntarily made by the umpire. The ruling is a result of the defense appealing the infraction. My ruling concerning this infraction will take into count different criteria, including whether or not it is a valid appeal, whether or not the defense is nit picking, whether or not the offense is a PITA, or as in the case of the original OP, the BR is in the process of abandoning his base, etc. If this appeal ever comes up, and it never has in over 1000 games of all levels, I will make an appropriate ruling. Even though I have not had the opportunity to rule on this appeal, I know that there are acceptable and unacceptable ways to handle situations that involve this particular rule. So no, I am sh*tting you and this "tool" will remain in my toolbox.
May be using the wrong word because abandonment is not an appeal option under rule 7.10. BTW, most cases of abandonment take place in the last inning. See recent Ohio ruling in playoff game {link still available?} where B/R took part in celebration before immediately proceeding to 1B. Abandonment call overturned in interesting protest decision.
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Old Mon Aug 03, 2009, 02:38pm
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May be using the wrong word because abandonment is not an appeal option under rule 7.10. BTW, most cases of abandonment take place in the last inning. See recent Ohio ruling in playoff game {link still available?} where B/R took part in celebration before immediately proceeding to 1B. Abandonment call overturned in interesting protest decision.
FYI, we weren't talking about abandonment.
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Old Wed Jul 29, 2009, 12:07pm
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A runner not "immediately" returning to 1st after attaining 1st is an appealable play (7.10c). If the BR is obviously heading toward his dugout, I will recognize the tag and bang him out.
What tag? An out for abandonment does not require a tag. In the OP, if F3 tags the runner, he's not far enough away to have abandoned. If that tips him off to return to 1B, we play on.

A runner is "immediately" returning to 1B if he's not going somewhere else. No WAY I'd call a runner out for removing protective gear while off the base. That's a ticket back to the small diamond.
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A runner is "immediately" returning to 1B if he's not going somewhere else. No WAY I'd call a runner out for removing protective gear while off the base. That's a ticket back to the small diamond.
Amen, brother. How OOO would you have to be to call a runner out for taking off his gear on his way back to the base?
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Amen, brother. How OOO would you have to be to call a runner out for taking off his gear on his way back to the base?
Interesting this would come up, I just read about it yesterday...J/R says something about the runner being able to be tagged out if he does so in front of the base.
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Amen, brother. How OOO would you have to be to call a runner out for taking off his gear on his way back to the base?
Hm. That's at least twice we've agreed in the last 7 days. Is it 2012?
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Hm. That's at least twice we've agreed in the last 7 days. Is it 2012?
If it is, armaggedon out of here now!!!
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Old Wed Jul 29, 2009, 09:50pm
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Amen, brother. How OOO would you have to be to call a runner out for taking off his gear on his way back to the base?
Anything other than his pants and jockstrap, that is...
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