Does the run score?

[starman]

I am not an ump, I just read the message board a lot. I was hoping someone could set me straight on this play. This happened in my son's game today.

Bases loaded. 1 Out.
Ground ball to Third.
R2 is tagged out by the third baseman.
R1 reaches and tags second base, however, he gets confused and retreats towards first base. This reinstates the force.
The third baseman throws to second to get the third out. However, R3 crosses the plate before second out. Does the run count?

The ump initially counted the run. The the defensive coach talked him out of it. I did not hear the converstation.

I know that the run would not count if it was a straight forwad double play. However, instinctivly I think that since R1 reached second the run should count. I am having trouble finding anything in the MLB rule book to clarify this.

[dash_riprock]

When R1 retreats toward 1st, the force is reinstated. The run does not score. This is not a time play.

[Mrumpiresir]

Once R1 retreated toward first base, by rule the force is reinstated. The run does not score.

[jdmara]

I agree...The run does not count.

-Josh

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by starman

I know that the run would not count if it was a straight forward double play. However, instinctively I think that since R1 reached second the run should count. I am having trouble finding anything in the MLB rule book to clarify this.

Stop looking. Your "instincts" or intuitions are incorrect. R1 merely reaching 2B does not change the play: if the 3rd out is a force play, no run can score (4.09). As the others have posted, the force was reinstated by the baserunning error.

[starman]

Thanks guys. 4.09 satisfies me.

[johnnyg08]

So, more specifically if a force is possible on that runner and it's the third out, no run can score right? So even if it's a tag, not a force we still have no run right?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

So, more specifically if a force is possible on that runner and it's the third out, no run can score right? So even if it's a tag, not a force we still have no run right?

If the third out is made during a force situation, no matter how the out is made, no run can score.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

So even if it's a tag, not a force we still have no run right?

You need to look up the definition of a force play. It has nothing to do with how the runner is put out.

[johnnyg08]

Or I could ask the question on here since that is the purpose. I'm aware of what I can look up...thanks