Does run score?

tmckeon · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2007, 07:16pm

I believe that I already know the answer, however, would like some input. Situation is bases loaded with two outs. Batter hits the ball into right field. The ball lands, the right-fielder picks it up and throws to second base before the runner from first reaches the base. The runner is called out due to the force, however, the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield. Therefore nulifying it as a normal force out. Unless the rules have changed, I believe that the run should not score. Any input would be appreciated, and any specific rule from the book would be helpful in my case. We did win 8-7 in the bottom of the sixth. Little league Minor division 9-11 year olds.

Thanks

LMan · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2007, 07:21pm

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Originally Posted by tmckeon

the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield.

Sorry for your trouble, coach. Actually, its because it was a rising fastball.

UmpJM · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2007, 07:22pm

tmckeon,

The run does NOT score. 4.09(a) Exception (2).

The umpire is making stuff up, which, by rule, is a right reserved for coaches.

JM

Rich Ives · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2007, 07:25pm

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Originally Posted by tmckeon

I believe that I already know the answer, however, would like some input. Situation is bases loaded with two outs. Batter hits the ball into right field. The ball lands, the right-fielder picks it up and throws to second base before the runner from first reaches the base. The runner is called out due to the force, however, the umpire told me that the run scores due to the fact that the ball was hit into the outfiield. Therefore nulifying it as a normal force out. Unless the rules have changed, I believe that the run should not score. Any input would be appreciated, and any specific rule from the book would be helpful in my case. We did win 8-7 in the bottom of the sixth. Little league Minor division 9-11 year olds.

Thanks

You are correct.

2.00 A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses the right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

4.09 -- HOW A TEAM SCORES
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three players are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter runner before touching first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because that runner failed to touch one of the bases (appeal play).

Note the lack of any exceptions for a ball hit to the outfield.

Rich Ives · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Mar 25, 2007, 07:26pm

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