Does the run score?
I am not an ump, I just read the message board a lot. I was hoping someone could set me straight on this play. This happened in my son's game today.
Bases loaded. 1 Out. Ground ball to Third. R2 is tagged out by the third baseman. R1 reaches and tags second base, however, he gets confused and retreats towards first base. This reinstates the force. The third baseman throws to second to get the third out. However, R3 crosses the plate before second out. Does the run count? The ump initially counted the run. The the defensive coach talked him out of it. I did not hear the converstation. I know that the run would not count if it was a straight forwad double play. However, instinctivly I think that since R1 reached second the run should count. I am having trouble finding anything in the MLB rule book to clarify this. |
When R1 retreats toward 1st, the force is reinstated. The run does not score. This is not a time play.
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Once R1 retreated toward first base, by rule the force is reinstated. The run does not score.
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I agree...The run does not count.
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Thanks guys. 4.09 satisfies me.
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So, more specifically if a force is possible on that runner and it's the third out, no run can score right? So even if it's a tag, not a force we still have no run right?
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Or I could ask the question on here since that is the purpose. I'm aware of what I can look up...thanks
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JMHO |
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Obviously you haven't looked it up, and are content to be snotty. This is a very basic rule that you shouldn't be umpiring without knowing. Quote:
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In the OP, the run of course does not score.
However: R3, R1, 2 outs. Batter singles down the 3B line. R3 scores, R1 stops at 2B. The ball comes in to the mound. As F1 awaits the next batter, R2 now retreats toward 1B (perhaps thinking the ball was foul, perhaps to retrieve his hat, wrongly assuming that time had been called), and F1 throws to F4 for the reinstated force. This third out seems to me to be a new play, occurring after the continuing action of the original play. I would not nullify the run. I know it's so unlikely that it's probably not addressed anywhere, but in 39 years I did see it happen once (though I admit it was in softball). |
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While the timing may determine which it is, there's no time frame when it's both a "reinstated force" and a timing play (to allow the run to score). |
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