substitute question

[Lastump]

Coach wants to put in #6 for #12. ok fine. other coach protests because #6 is not listed on the line up card, but #6 is a legal sub. this is ok right in fed rules for softball or baseball, or am i mixing up ASA rules????? or home team gives me a line up with only 9 players, i say he can sub any legal sub even though they are not listed on the line up card (fed rules baseball). thanks for the clarification.

[DG]

OK in baseball, don't know anything about softball.

If coach brings me a lineup with only 9 players listed I will ask him if he has no subs and if he does I will tell him it is courtesy to include his subs.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by Lastump

Coach wants to put in #6 for #12. ok fine. other coach protests because #6 is not listed on the line up card, but #6 is a legal sub. this is ok right in fed rules for softball or baseball, or am i mixing up ASA rules????? or home team gives me a line up with only 9 players, i say he can sub any legal sub even though they are not listed on the line up card (fed rules baseball). thanks for the clarification.

In FED, a list of substitutes is not mandatory.

[w_sohl]

However, if a protest is made and upheld the coach can only play with the players listed on his lineup card the day of that game. He cannot add new players later so it is in his best interest to have everyone on the card wether they'll come in or not.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

However, if a protest is made and upheld the coach can only play with the players listed on his lineup card the day of that game. He cannot add new players later so it is in his best interest to have everyone on the card wether they'll come in or not.

Wow, I never thought of that! Good to know.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

However, if a protest is made and upheld the coach can only play with the players listed on his lineup card the day of that game. He cannot add new players later so it is in his best interest to have everyone on the card wether they'll come in or not.

That might be true in your part of CA, but it's not the FED rule.

[Lastump]

interesting, 2 of my regular partners swear you MUST list all players and subs or they can't play. what a dilemma..... i think there is a case just can't find. can't find the rule that does not allow out either yet my partners say there is a rule and they can't find either. i told them to quit making stuff up... lol

[johnnyg08]

it's specifically in the rules that not listing subs is okay...in fact, I think it was a test question this year.

[jdmara]

In FED baseball sub do not have to be listed. From what has been said at my association meetings, it is required in softball though. I don't do softball though so take that advice about softball with a grain of salt

-Josh

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by lastump

interesting, 2 of my regular partners swear you must list all players and subs or they can't play. What a dilemma..... I think there is a case just can't find. Can't find the rule that does not allow out either yet my partners say there is a rule and they can't find either. I told them to quit making stuff up... Lol

1-1-2

1.1.2b

jm

[mbyron]

Here's the case:

Originally Posted by Case Book

1.1.2 SITUATION B: Team A’s JV team has returned to join the varsity team during
the sixth inning of the varsity game. A member of Team A’s JV team attempts
to enter the game as a pinch runner, but Team B’s coach notices that Team A’s JV
player was not listed on the starting lineup card and argues he should not be
allowed to enter the game. RULING: There is no penalty if the names are not listed
on the lineup card. However, it is suggested that all players who might possibly
enter the game be listed with their proper names and shirt numbers.

[Tim C]

" . . . interesting, 2 of my regular partners swear you MUST list all players and subs or they can't play."

There is no dilemma. Your partners are simply wrong.

" . . . if a protest is made and upheld the coach can only play with the players listed on his lineup card the day of that game. He cannot add new players later so it is in his best interest to have everyone on the card wether they'll come in or not."

This is not only not an NFHS rule it is contradictory to their philosophy of participation.

Clearly FED has a case play were a player shows up late and is allowed to play.

Must be a "when in Rome . . . " type ruling.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by Tim C

There is no dilemma. Your partners are simply wrong.

This is not only not an NFHS rule it is contradictory to their philosophy of participation.

Clearly FED has a case play were a player shows up late and is allowed to play.

Must be a "when in Rome . . . " type ruling.

Exactly! The only exceptions would be a player not eligible to play in the original game due to suspension or is currently suspended (Prior ejection or academic). Otherwise they are eligible to play.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by Lastump

Coach wants to put in #6 for #12. ok fine. other coach protests because #6 is not listed on the line up card, but #6 is a legal sub. this is ok right in fed rules for softball or baseball, or am i mixing up ASA rules?????

Originally Posted by jdmara

In FED baseball sub do not have to be listed. From what has been said at my association meetings, it is required in softball though. I don't do softball though so take that advice about softball with a grain of salt

-Josh

NFHS softball: A substitute need not be listed on the lineup card to be eligible to enter.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Wow, I never thought of that! Good to know.

There's a reason to having never thought of it. It's wrong.