$40-$70 Titanium Cage LSH

[SAump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Okay, what's your point?

SA, you are heading for another fall with this discussion!

I'd wear a football helmet if I thought I was in danger of falling. Every umpire thinks about reducing the risk of injury. One is taking a risk, however small the risk may be. Someone stated that the risk from a concussion while wearing a mask or HSM is about even. There is no evidence one offers any better protection than the other. The main idea is to significantly reduce the risk of concussion by removing the danger.

I believe those who say it easy to take off a HSM once they pass the "muscle memory" stage. Why would they be opposed to wearing a chin strap? It applies the same muscle memory requirement w/out the danger imposed by that dangling throat guard. If I were hit that hard, I rather worry about the integrity of the frame than my state of well-being? BIWSTFAD!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SAump

I believe those who say it easy to take off a HSM once they pass the "muscle memory" stage.

I was an early convert to the HSM. I take it off anytime one would take off a conventional mask--always have, and always will. There never was a learning curve or "muscle memory."

Originally Posted by SAump

Why would they be opposed to wearing a chin strap? It applies the same muscle memory requirement w/out the danger imposed by that dangling throat guard.

Even you cannot be this obtuse. That strap secures in four points, of which two need to be unsnapped for removal. This helmet cannot be removed with one motion.

Also, to what danger are you referring? That sentence doesn't even make sense.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Matt

I was an early convert to the HSM. I take it off anytime one would take off a conventional mask--always have, and always will. There never was a learning curve or "muscle memory."

Some of us began at the back of the line. Remember removing the mask with your left hand. Remember the drills. Remember holding the indicator in your left hand or standing in front of the mirror. How many times did your plate hat fall off? Muscle-memory is that point when you can leave all the drills behind and do it right every time, like throwing a baseball or riding a bicycle.

Originally Posted by Matt

Even you cannot be this obtuse. That strap secures in four points, of which two need to be unsnapped for removal. This helmet cannot be removed with one motion.

Also, to what danger are you referring? That sentence doesn't even make sense.

BTW, Im not trying to be obtuse here. The ease of taking off a HSM is what is obtuse to me. The strange idea that only the attributes of a HSM are suitable for catchers and umpires floors me. I can't get a HSM up and over my head without difficulty. Here is another helmet, unsnap the thing and remove. How much easier is that? Much easier.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

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I warped by the strange idea ...............

Finally something we can all agree on.


Tim

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SAump

Some of us began at the back of the line. Remember removing the mask with your left hand. Remember the drills. Remember holding the indicator in your left hand or standing in front of the mirror. How many times did your plate hat fall off?

So, you've moved from learning to take an HSM off to learning how to take a conventional mask off. Can you stay on subject for one post?

Originally Posted by SAump

Its was a snap to remove, not a combination lock. Unsnap the thing and remove. How it is any more difficult than taking off a HSM is obtuse to me. Whats the old saying, "Its a snap," mean to you?

Because one has to reach to the back, undo at least one (and probably two) snap(s), then reach to the front.

Originally Posted by SAump

The LSH doen't fit as tight as a baseball HSM so it is much easier to remove from your head.

Lacrosse helmets fit more tightly if worn properly.

Originally Posted by SAump

How to remove a HSM with one hand is beyond me. Add a hockey throat guard and it is impossible to remove. BTW, Im not trying to be obtuse here.

The same way you grasp a conventional mask. You grab it on the left side of the jaw, pull forward and up, and it's off.

Originally Posted by SAump

I warped by the strange idea that a HSM is the only suitable baseball helmet on the market for catchers and umpires.

Form follows function. A helmet that is not designed for baseball is not likely to be as functional as one that is.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Matt

So, you've moved from learning to take an HSM off to learning how to take a conventional mask off. Can you stay on subject for one post?

The subject was muscle-memory. It applies to a comment you made about removing a helmet.

Because one has to reach to the back, undo at least one (and probably two) snap(s), then reach to the front.
Lacrosse helmets fit more tightly if worn properly.
The same way you grasp a conventional mask. You grab it on the left side of the jaw, pull forward and up, and it's off.

Tight helmets give me a headache. Funny, reach back where to release the snap and where to remove the helmet. I thought it was decided long ago that if timing was a factor, one should leave the helmet on because of the peripheral vision advantage found in the helmet.

Originally Posted by Matt

Form follows function. A helmet that is not designed for baseball is not likely to be as functional as one that is.

I hear an expensive all-black plate shoe modeled after the NHL pro skate will soon be released. Very comfortable and awesome protection and durability. The designers of the hockey equipment wanted me to say, thank you, for the kind words about them.
http://sports-and-outdoors.become.co...ambigcatid=782
http://cgi.ebay.com/PLH-2000-Black-L...3A1%7C294%3A50
Enough about the strap, or snap, I thank you for your comments. I will reflect on them. Lets hear from others for a couple of pages and/or let the thread expire. Can the LaCrosse helmet take the shot and provide better protection for the user?

[zm1283]

Aside from the fact that those lacrosse helmets look incredibly stupid, I wouldn't trust one while taking a foul tip on the face. (Especially if there was a hacksaw involved to saw some of the bars off)

I have a HSM and it is really easy to take off with one hand. It's pretty easy to put it back on with one hand too.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Aside from the fact that those lacrosse helmets look incredibly stupid, I wouldn't trust one while taking a foul tip on the face.

I have never been hit by a foul tip. I have, however, been hit by a foul ball.

I can't believe no one else jumped on this.

On topic, I'll stick with my mask.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by SAump

I'd wear a football helmet if I thought I was in danger of falling.

Every umpire thinks about reducing the risk of injury. Standing behind the plate amounts to standing on a hilltop during a thunderstorm. One is taking a risk, however small the risk may be.

Someone stated that the risk from a concussion while wearing a mask or HSM is about even. There is no evidence one offers any better protection than the other. The main idea is to significantly reduce the risk of concussion by removing the danger.

I believe those who say it easy to take off a HSM once they pass the "muscle memory" stage. Why would they be opposed to wearing a chin strap? It applies the same muscle memory requirement w/out the danger imposed by that dangling throat guard. If I were hit that hard, I rather worry about the integrity of the frame than my state of well-being? BIWSTFAD!

SA, this post (and this whole subject) make no sense! I leave you to your fantasies - enjoy!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

SA, this post (and this whole subject) make no sense! I leave you to your fantasies - enjoy!

At last, the voice of reason has spoken!

[SAump]

I understand your position about the chin strap. The original idea was safety. Worse things were said about the seatbelt. Wearing a seatbelt was once considered hoaky. The SUL, New View, and FX Shock have not matched promised expectations for providing great protection. All three are designed by product engineers. One was actually an innovative idea (SUL). But the other two were real hoakey.

Take a look at the future mask {similar baseball mask already used in Japan}.
http://www.hockeymonkey.com/itech-ho...ll-shield.html
Better pictures available through search engine.

The cantilever {upside down L} design alone offers more protection than a HSM. If the helmet is worn properly, it will absorb most of the blow and padding could still be inserted to protect the chin. All the advantages I mention above apply. Open face bars already exist. But wearing the helmet w/out the chin strap poses the same hazard we face today.

[Kevin Finnerty]

With all due respect, this helmet is now considered hoaky.