What is going on with ML baseball umpires

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, this is the first time I have viewed the play.

And you've been here the whole time commenting on Meals's call when you hadn't even seen it??? Unbelievable.

I rest my case.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UMP25

And you've been here the whole time commenting on Meals's call when you hadn't even seen it??? Unbelievable.

I rest my case.

I was commenting on the correctness of the ruling in general. I read reports of the play stating that the call was correct. Based on how the play was described, I supported the ruling. After viewing the play, I can still see how Meals ruled the way he did. The video shows Upton make a move toward second base, and he wasn't just turning around to come back. Then he tried to play it off like he meant to return to first all along. It was a judgment call, and those who don't agree are free to do so, but it doesn't make his call wrong.

[UMP25]

Sorry, but you can't get yourself out of this embarrassing mess now. You never saw the play. You came here not even having seen replays of it, spewing comments about making an attempt to advance, then flipped to the "immediately" returning side of the rule, then flopped back to the attempt, added the "J" word (judgment), then admitted you never saw it.

Nice try. The case remains closed. In fact, it's dismissed due to lack of standing on the arguee's part.

[UmpTTS43]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Nice try. The case remains closed. In fact, it's dismissed due to lack of standing on the arguee's part.

I did watch the replay, I judged that an attempt was made and feel the right call was made.

You apparently watched the replay, judged that an attempt was not made and disagree with the call.

I am still curious as to what you consider "an attempt," or are you just going to claim victory over one poster and ignore the rest?

Please don't just go home with your ball screaming "I win, I win."

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by UMP25

Sorry, but you can't get yourself out of this embarrassing mess now. You never saw the play. You came here not even having seen replays of it, spewing comments about making an attempt to advance, then flipped to the "immediately" returning side of the rule, then flopped back to the attempt, added the "J" word (judgment), then admitted you never saw it.

Nice try. The case remains closed. In fact, it's dismissed due to lack of standing on the arguee's part.

You need to learn to read better. I never "spewed comments" about Upton specifically making an attempt, I merely commented on "a runner" making an attempt, as in defending the rule, not the play. Look carefully. The only thing I said about the play itself was in my original post, which I had gleaned from an article in an ejection website that said that the call was correct. In my other posts, I said I trusted Meals' and Darlings' judgment. Not one time did I ever say, "hey, I saw the play and......." I never claimed to have seen the actual play itself. When I did, I posted that fact, and now you have used that against me. I didn't think, and still don't think, that my not having seen the play really matters, because I did not argue the specific play, only the ruling.

The case only remains closed in your mind. I think some other folks might think differently.

You can call it an embarrassing mess if you want to. I'm not embarrassed, nor do I have anything to feel embarrassed about.

[refinks]

i just saw the play for the first time, and i have to admit that is a tough call. i'd have a real hard time judging that a move toward second. there was no direct step toward second, which is what i look for in a case like that. to call that is incredibly picky.

Now whether the call is right or wrong, it doesn't matter, because BJ Upton admitted that it was a mental lapse on his part. He took the blame for not returning to the base immediately, whether or not he made a move to second.