What is going on with ML baseball umpires

[UMP25]

With all due respect, guys, I believe Meals kicked that call. I've seen batter-runners do worse than that and never get called out when tagged. Meals making that call is splitting not hairs but the atom. To put it bluntly, I think it was a terrible call.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by UMP25

With all due respect, guys, I believe Meals kicked that call. I've seen batter-runners do worse than that and never get called out when tagged. Meals making that call is splitting not hairs but the atom. To put it bluntly, I think it was a terrible call.

It looked as if Upton was trying to avoid the rolling baseball and never attempted to go to second.

[UMP25]

If one paid attention to Meals comments on the field, you can easily see that he said, "...made an attempt."

First, there's no way Upton made an attempt. Second, the "return immediately" aspect of overrunning first base rarely ever is invoked when tagging a B-R because it's so vague and so nonspecific. I've tried every way I can think of to justify the out on Upton because he didn't "return immediately," but I can't. The fact that that was not the reason Meals called him out is even more puzzling.

Oh well, on to the next bizarre situation.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by UMP25

First, there's no way Upton made an attempt. Second, the "return immediately" aspect of overrunning first base rarely ever is invoked when tagging a B-R because it's so vague and so nonspecific. I've tried every way I can think of to justify the out on Upton because he didn't "return immediately," but I can't.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

He was called out for "not returning immediately to first base." Watch it again. Absolutely correct call.

Finally saw a replay. RichMSN wins.

[bobbybanaduck]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Sir, there's no gambling at Bushwood....and I never slice

Where do I sign up for the Pete Booth school of "never making mistakes"?

gambling is illegal at bushwood, sir.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

gambling is illegal at bushwood, sir.

How about a Fresca?

[PeteBooth]

I never said I didn't make mistakes. My point which perhaps I didn't make clear was thiis.

If we saw both those calls made by say a LLWS umpire on TV or an other amateur umpire on TV, for the most part they would have been bashed.

I have been watching baseball a long time and have NEVER seen the call that Meals made especially in the BIG LEAGUES.

I make mistakes all the time but I also do not get paid 6 figures.

Pete Booth

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

I never said I didn't make mistakes. My point which perhaps I didn't make clear was thiis.

If we saw both those calls made by say a LLWS umpire on TV or an other amateur umpire on TV, for the most part they would have been bashed.

I have been watching baseball a long time and have NEVER seen the call that Meals made especially in the BIG LEAGUES.

I make mistakes all the time but I also do not get paid 6 figures.

Pete Booth

If you have not noticed, most people that come here bash whomever they are talking about. Even if the games are not on TV. That is the nature of this board and that is the nature of the internet. And MLB Umpires get bashed all the time on this site about plays they miss or make. LLWS Umpires only get criticism at a certain time of year. And this year little has been said about the LLWS as in past years.

Peace

[bossman72]

IMO, Meals blew that call. I seen it on sports center. There was no attempt to go to second what so ever.

I don't agree with some of your interpretations that the runner didn't "immediately" return to first. What the runner did should not have been in violation of the rule. Calling an out here for not returning immediately, IMO, is not what is intended by the rule and is pretty OOO.

[zm1283]

Meals blew it. Upton doesn't have to turn around and sprint back to the base as fast as possible. That is never called, especially in the majors. Quit trying to justify it just because he's an MLB umpire.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

I never said I didn't make mistakes. My point which perhaps I didn't make clear was thiis.

If we saw both those calls made by say a LLWS umpire on TV or an other amateur umpire on TV, for the most part they would have been bashed.

I have been watching baseball a long time and have NEVER seen the call that Meals made especially in the BIG LEAGUES.

I make mistakes all the time but I also do not get paid 6 figures.

Pete Booth

Toucheeeee

I think that is exactly why this guy gets six figures, to have the balls to make that instant of a call without the luxury of instant replay...

[UMP25]

Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel

Toucheeeee

I think that is exactly why this guy gets six figures, to have the balls to make that instant of a call without the luxury of instant replay...

So it takes balls to make a bad call? It never ceases to amaze me how some here think MLB Umpires can do no wrong, even when one kicks a call like Meals did.

I can tell you this much: your opinion of Meals's call is not shared by all MLB Umpires. There are at least two who have privately said they did not agree with his call.

And no, I'm mentioning who these are. I'm not going to share my friends' information.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by UMP25

So it takes balls to make a bad call? It never ceases to amaze me how some here think MLB Umpires can do no wrong, even when one kicks a call like Meals did.

I can tell you this much: your opinion of Meals's call is not shared by all MLB Umpires. There are at least two who have privately said they did not agree with his call.

And no, I'm mentioning who these are. I'm not going to share my friends' information.

If you're not willing to identify your "friends", why mention them ? Their opinion of this play is meaningless to any of us unless we know who they are.
This smacks of name-dropping, without the names.

Chuck

[Rich]

Originally Posted by UMP25

So it takes balls to make a bad call? It never ceases to amaze me how some here think MLB Umpires can do no wrong, even when one kicks a call like Meals did.

I can tell you this much: your opinion of Meals's call is not shared by all MLB Umpires. There are at least two who have privately said they did not agree with his call.

And no, I'm mentioning who these are. I'm not going to share my friends' information.

16 of my friends say that they could beat up your friends in a back alley.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by UMP25

There are at least two who have privately said they did not agree with his call.

And no, I'm mentioning who these are. I'm not going to share my friends' information.

And there are 60 MLB umpires who are close personal friends who think he made the exact correct call. And, nope, I can't mention their names. They made me promise not to, honest.