Mitchell Report?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Geeze SDS, sounds like you are in Mike Vick's head. Perhaps you will be an expert witness...

yawn.

If you're bored, don't bother to comment.

I am only restating what has been widely reported. Mike Vick showed no remorse for his actions. This is a matter of record, not something I made up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

If you're bored, don't bother to comment.

I am only restating what has been widely reported. Mike Vick showed no remorse for his actions. This is a matter of record, not something I made up.

Steve I am willing to accept your opinion, but come on now. It is a matter of record or it is a matter of your opinion? Unless you talked to him personally, I think that is based on your opinion. I do not know what record you are referencing, but I saw the apology live and he seemed pretty remorseful to me. Then again I was not outraged with the act of dog fighting and he did not have to apologize to me.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize you actually had a conversation with Vick to know what he though. And if you would leave your state, you might realize that everyone does not look at this as a major societal concern. Secondly the maximum sentence for most crimes almost never happens for a first or even second time offender. He also plea bargained which is what both sides usually want. The prosecution gets a conviction and the defense gets a much lesser sentence if they were normally convicted by a trial. And even if someone is convicted during a trial, people do not always get the maximum sentences. Not unless you are a convicted of the mandatory minimums that are associated with many drug crimes.

You know something, I have a very thorough knowledge of the way the judicial system works. I've slept in a Holiday Inn Express or two in my day.

Go outside my state? WTF does my living in California have to do with anything? Do you think we live in a damn bubble here or something. I've lived all over the U.S. at one time or other, including your state. Besides, we have dog fighting and c*ck fighting here in sunny California as well. They are not regional activities, but are practiced by a few morally depraved individuals in every state. And I live about 20 miles from Mexico, and I know you know that they have those things there as well.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Steve, I recently had my mother's dog run away from my house when I was dog sitting. My Mom’s dog was not registered in my area and I had to play a pretty big amount of money for her being gone less than 24 hours. If I did not even contact animal control, they would have put my mother's dog to sleep. I do not know about you, but that sounds pretty cruel to me. And that is a practice that so-called dog lovers like you seems to accept. Now if you do not like my values that is your problem. I am a Christian, but I do not question the values of other Christian faiths because they are not like my own.

Euthenizing dogs and brutally killing them because they didn't fight well enough for your liking are two very different things. I think it is horrible if your state puts dogs and cats to sleep after only 24 hours. In my state they give the owners a couple weeks, and even then try to find homes through Adopt-A-Pet. They dont' just excecute animals willy-nilly.

It also just dawned on me: You were "dog sitting," and the one thing you were responsible for ran away? Remind me not to ever let you babysit my nieces and nephews!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then again, you have better values.

Your sarcasm aside, I agree with most of what you said.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Steve I am willing to accept your opinion, but come on now. It is a matter of record or it is a matter of your opinion? Unless you talked to him personally, I think that is based on your opinion. I do not know what record you are referencing, but I saw the apology live and he seemed pretty remorseful to me. Then again I was not outraged with the act of dog fighting and he did not have to apologize to me.

Peace

Yes, he apologized. After he realized he was screwed!!!

For the longest time he maintained total innocence and even up until his "apology" he showed no remorse and acted like it was no big deal.

I know I can't legislate morality, but to not be outraged with dog fighting, or the killing of said dogs, speaks volumes about your values. I know that it is none of my business what you think or feel, but I do wonder what Jesus would think about your lack of disgust. Hmmmm.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Hey, how 'bout that Mitchell Report, huh? Man what a gas!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You know something, I have a very thorough knowledge of the way the judicial system works. I've slept in a Holiday Inn Express or two in my day.

Go outside my state? WTF does my living in California have to do with anything? Do you think we live in a damn bubble here or something. I've lived all over the U.S. at one time or other, including your state. Besides, we have dog fighting and c*ck fighting here in sunny California as well. They are not regional activities, but are practiced by a few morally depraved individuals in every state. And I live about 20 miles from Mexico, and I know you know that they have those things there as well.

I have been to California a few times and it is a very different place than other parts of the country. And I was in San Diego for most of one summer. I will leave it at that.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Euthenizing dogs and brutally killing them because they didn't fight well enough for your liking are two very different things. I think it is horrible if your state puts dogs and cats to sleep after only 24 hours. In my state they give the owners a couple weeks, and even then try to find homes through Adopt-A-Pet. They dont' just excecute animals willy-nilly.

Killing animals is killing animals no matter how you do it. And if one form of killing is supposed to be of higher value than I disagree with that statement. And it was not until a few years ago that this was even a crime. We are not going to agree with this no matter how you slice it.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It also just dawned on me: You were "dog sitting," and the one thing you were responsible for ran away? Remind me not to ever let you babysit my nieces and nephews!

Here is another example of how you do not understand values of others. I understand how and why you feel the way you do, I just do not hold that same value. I have to walk my dog. I do not have to walk a child. You put a dog outside. You do not put a child outside. Children either use the bathroom or have a diaper. Dogs go to bathroom outside. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand by the dog got away. If you had a dog you would know that this is not an uncommon occurrence. At least it is in areas where dogs are not accessories. I think you have been in California too long.

Peace

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

he got a longer sentence because he wasn't upfront with federal authorities...

and garth: thanks for correcting that mishap in the previous sentence. As an English major, it is important to me that proper grammer be included in these posts...

I'm sorry, did you say English major? Wow. I guess capitalization and punctuation are no longer taught in some schools.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, he apologized. After he realized he was screwed!!!

For the longest time he maintained total innocence and even up until his "apology" he showed no remorse and acted like it was no big deal.

I know I can't legislate morality, but to not be outraged with dog fighting, or the killing of said dogs, speaks volumes about your values. I know that it is none of my business what you think or feel, but I do wonder what Jesus would think about your lack of disgust. Hmmmm.

With all due respect people that are potentially being accused of crimes do not go around telling the world they are sorry if they are willing to go to court. And neither you nor I were around him to know what kind of remorse he showed. If it was I, I would have fought to the end over such a silly thing. I have seen many athletes or public figures commit worse acts and you do not see the outrage over those acts but be involved in dog fighting and the sky is going to fall.

And if I recall Jesus did not talk about dog fighting as a sin or address specifically the many ways we treat animals as it relates to hunting, cock fighting, dog fighting, horse racing or any number of activities that involve animals. I do not expect you to deal with the hypocrisy that I pointed out. Dog fighting is bad, hunting is OK. That makes sense.

Peace

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

Geeze SDS, sounds like you are in Mike Vick's head. Perhaps you will be an expert witness...

yawn.

You're right, big yawn. Reminds me of some one else who thinks they're never wrong. If boring people to death was a punishable offense they would be serving a life sentence without the chance of parole. Too bad, we're the ones being punished though.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

The same Rush Limbaugh that accuses Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and anybody else in the Democratic Party for whatever he can so he will have a listener audience. Or, the same Rush Limbaugh that got busted for illegal possession of prescription painkillers for which he was downing about 80 per day. Limbaugh is farce personified.

And you never smoked pot, taken acid, speed, downers, beans, hoppers, bangers, or overdosed on simple aspirin or cold medicine (something that 80% of the population does)? You never spoke out against a political faction or person in your life? Cut the crap, Steve! You may not like the man because of your political beliefs and that is fine. He is an avid sports fan just as the rest of us and is entitled to his opinion like everyone else!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

As an English major, it is important to me that proper grammer be included in these posts...

The sarcasm smiley suggests that these errors might be intentional, but I doubt it.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

Although I will admit the first error was indeed an error. I thought it would be ironic if I spelled grammar incorrectly lol. In all seriousness, I am an English major. I'm actually considering going to the school in Garth's backyard for law school.

Just what we need. Another lawyer who can't write.

My favorite Gonzaga story:

Back sometime around 1985 or 86, the every graduate of the Gonzaga Law School who took the Bar Exam flunked the ethics portion.

Somehow, it seemed appropriate for "would-be" attorneys to fail to grasp ethics.

[canadaump6]

Ethics courses are a joke. The definition of right and wrong varies from society to society and time period to time period.

As a side note, I'm going for my G2 today. I won't have to bike to games anymore.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Ethics courses are a joke. The definition of right and wrong varies from society to society and time period to time period.

It doesn't appear you are familiar with ethics classes as they apply to law school.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have been to California a few times and it is a very different place than other parts of the country. And I was in San Diego for most of one summer. I will leave it at that.

And I said I've lived around the country, including a stint in Illinois. Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Killing animals is killing animals no matter how you do it. And if one form of killing is supposed to be of higher value than I disagree with that statement. And it was not until a few years ago that this was even a crime. We are not going to agree with this no matter how you slice it.

You are right. We won't agree. I already explained the difference between legal hunting and the unnecessary slaughter of domesticated animals. If you don't know the difference...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is another example of how you do not understand values of others. I understand how and why you feel the way you do, I just do not hold that same value. I have to walk my dog. I do not have to walk a child. You put a dog outside. You do not put a child outside. Children either use the bathroom or have a diaper. Dogs go to bathroom outside. I know that is a hard concept for you to understand by the dog got away. If you had a dog you would know that this is not an uncommon occurrence. At least it is in areas where dogs are not accessories. I think you have been in California too long.

Are you really as obtuse as you sound here? My God man, you assume a great deal. I have been a dog owner since I was born. Over the years I have had many dogs, including a Pit Bull/Lab mix (black and white) named Brutus who I loved dearly. I just found it ironic that you lost the dog while dog sitting. That's funny. (I'm LMAO).

To say that I don't understand other people's values is a ridiculous statement. I just don't agree with yours. I don't really give a rat's a$$ about you or your values, but I do understand other people's values. Again, there's a difference between understanding and not giving a sh*t.

I have always owned dogs, and currently have two. Since I have been married (16+ years this time), I have had 5 including the two current dogs. I have an 11 year old Husky/St. Bernard mix who unfortunately has had a skin condition since she was about a year old. I love her more than life itself. I have a black Golden Retriever who is 8 years old. She is my baby. I love my dogs like they were actual children (I also have a 29 year old daughter). They are our children. I don't put my dogs outside. I would sooner put a child outside. My dogs are much better behaved than most children. My dogs go outside to go to the park, the beach, or to the bathroom. The rest of the time they are inside where they belong, as part of the family.

My dogs are not accessories, and this ain't Beverly Hills. I live in a fairly rural area, complete with pickup trucks, gun racks, and Hell's Angels. I'm sure that there is dog fighting within 5 miles of my house.

I can't believe you think the way you do. Dogs as accessories, puleeeeze.