Second Play in Infield Positioning

[RPatrino]

A base umpire on the 90 foot field, using proper mechanics, will be able to cover the second play on the infield. 'Nuff said.

Now, I believe the correct softball mechanic is for the PU to cover this. FWIW.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

A base umpire on the 90 foot field, using proper mechanics, will be able to cover the second play on the infield. 'Nuff said.

Now, I believe the correct softball mechanic is for the PU to cover this. FWIW.

in the NFHS manual, it has the PU taking 2nd play in the infield.

I am trying to wean my association off this technique, but you know how hard it is to teach old dogs new tricks sometimes.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by bossman72

in the NFHS manual, it has the PU taking 2nd play in the infield.

I am trying to wean my association off this technique, but you know how hard it is to teach old dogs new tricks sometimes.

I suggest if you work in a association that works FED games and uses FED mechanics, do as your told to do and don't fly solo.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I suggest if you work in a association that works FED games and uses FED mechanics, do as your told to do and don't fly solo.

Unless of course it is your mission to wean the association away from such archaic mechanics and begin to use the preferred mechanics. Then I guess you should continue to wean.

I have never heard of an association that did not welcome input from its membership. Most associations are not totalitarian dictatorships where everyone must march in lockstep and never speak their minds.

[justanotherblue]

LOL.... well, mine doesn't want any input. Let's see... the exact quote from my association pres was......I don't care what the f@#$ you were taught at pro school, it doesn't work in HS games.... yeah that was about it. And when I offered to bring in my Evans Balk Video... the response was....can you make it four or five minutes long.....

And yes, there are a few of us beginning to talk with A.D's and start a new association, one that trains and works with it's members, not promote Charlie because he's a good ol boy and we like him.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

LOL.... well, mine doesn't want any input. Let's see... the exact quote from my association pres was......I don't care what the f@#$ you were taught at pro school, it doesn't work in HS games.... yeah that was about it. And when I offered to bring in my Evans Balk Video... the response was....can you make it four or five minutes long.....

And yes, there are a few of us beginning to talk with A.D's and start a new association, one that trains and works with it's members, not promote Charlie because he's a good ol boy and we like him.

You lost me when you used the word "Charlie." I know what it means, but pro school grads that use it are typically dismissive of those who didn't attend pro school. I once belonged to an association where one of the guys who went to pro school commented that only pro school grads should be allowed to train umpires.

If you want to create a new association, fine, but trying to change an association's mechanics just you went to pro school is a bit difficult and you should expect that people won't just roll over. Requires people skills and the ability to accept "no" once in a while. Especially when it's a mechanic recognized and accepted by the PBUC manual.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You lost me when you used the word "Charlie." I know what it means, but pro school grads that use it are typically dismissive of those who didn't attend pro school. I once belonged to an association where one of the guys who went to pro school commented that only pro school grads should be allowed to train umpires.

If you want to create a new association, fine, but trying to change an association's mechanics just you went to pro school is a bit difficult and you should expect that people won't just roll over. Requires people skills and the ability to accept "no" once in a while. Especially when it's a mechanic recognized and accepted by the PBUC manual.

I work with several very good umpires who haven't gone through a Pro school. They have attended several outside clinics however, and it shows. They're very good and fun to work with. Don't get me wrong, I still make mistakes as we all do, going to pro school allows me to recognize it immediatly when I do. I know well before my partner asks for that beer I owe for it As for the new association, I was recruited by several other umpires in my area that are tired of all the good ol boy mantallity. Accepting no once in a while is exceptable and underestandable. Being told it don't work here isn't, especially before it's even tried or explained!

[hawk21]

proper mechanic is for base ump to make both calls at 1st. and 2nd play at 3rd. if he is in the proper position. Plate ump stays home and calls any overthrow to 1st. or 3rd. and he can still see a tag if asked by partner!
Don't go looking for problems, this is not a 1st. to 3rd. situation for the plate ump. we have a runner on 2nd. base. get into position and everyone looks good.

[Interested Ump]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

LOL.... well, mine doesn't want any input. Let's see... the exact quote from my association pres was......I don't care what the f@#$ you were taught at pro school, it doesn't work in HS games.... yeah that was about it. And when I offered to bring in my Evans Balk Video... the response was....can you make it four or five minutes long.....

And yes, there are a few of us beginning to talk with A.D's and start a new association, one that trains and works with it's members, not promote Charlie because he's a good ol boy and we like him.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Unless of course it is your mission to wean the association away from such archaic mechanics and begin to use the preferred mechanics. Then I guess you should continue to wean.

I have never heard of an association that did not welcome input from its membership. Most associations are not totalitarian dictatorships where everyone must march in lockstep and never speak their minds.

I've never belonged to an association where a crew couldn't make their own decision on this coverage. If my PU wants to take the second play, fine. If not, fine. I'll do it either way.

[RPatrino]

While I don't disagree with you that the NFHS manual has the PU taking the second play on the INF, we still don't do it this way. The manual, like all practices is meant for a wide range of skill sets. There are many other coverages and adjustments that can and should be made by crews, providing they communicate and work as a team.

Some 'old' dogs are perfectly willing to change if the changes make sense and actually help facilitate the officiating of the game.