No such thing as a timing play?

[SAump]

Originally Posted by greymule

Well, I can see the logic of that argument, and you might well be right, but there's also logic that says you can't correct a miss after 3 are out, combined with the fact that the runner obviously attempted to correct his miss. To me that adds a wrinkle that makes this play not quite fit neatly into a black-and-white rule. I was wondering whether you had taken your question from a case play or a ruling. Apparently the BRD 2006 "discusses both possibilities."

{From pg. 277.}
OFF Interp 313-462: Fitzpatrick: A runner who misses the plate may return to touch it even after the defense has attained a third out during live action.
See Play #237-462. Ruling: Legal. R2's return was still part of the "playing action." The runs scores.
{From pg. 278.}
AO 62-462: J/R: R2, 2 outs: ... "If R2 returns to the plate and touches it after the out at second base, his "touch or pass' of home plate has occurred after the third out, and cannot be counted; this is a time play." (81)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fitump56

Bob if you feel threatened or upset when a coach runs to a foul line acting like an ***, OK by me. I don't so as long as they stay off the field,

I dont' feel threatened or upset, and "field" includes both fair and foul territory. IF he runs to the end of his dugout, then I have nothing.

Running at the umpire is not much different from waving arms, pointing, drawing lines, yelling, thorwing a hat, kicking dirt, etc. All of those activities give the coach a (much) shorter leash than calmly discussing the play.

After I EJ'd a coach last year, he came back out (this time calmly) and asked, "Don't I have a right to be upset?" I responded, "Yes, but you still have to act appropriately."

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by fitump56
Bob if you feel threatened or upset when a coach runs to a foul line acting like an ***, OK by me. I don't so as long as they stay off the field,

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I dont' feel threatened or upset, and "field" includes both fair and foul territory. IF he runs to the end of his dugout, then I have nothing.

Running at the umpire is not much different from waving arms, pointing, drawing lines, yelling, thorwing a hat, kicking dirt, etc. All of those activities give the coach a (much) shorter leash than calmly discussing the play.

After I EJ'd a coach last year, he came back out (this time calmly) and asked, "Don't I have a right to be upset?" I responded, "Yes, but you still have to act appropriately."

Thanks for the discourse, Bob.