Unusual occurence in April 28th Baltimore-Cleveland game

[SAump]

Where in the rulebook does it state that an umpire can wipe off an earned run by mistake?

The defense saw the umpires were still wondering about the play in question too. Both sides put in their arguments and the umpires corrected the mistake, albeit 3 innings too late. I believe there is a precedent to changing the official score to reflect player statitistics such as RBI awards. The defense should have been well aware of the mistake the umpires had made. I guess instant replay was shown and everyone knew the umpires had made a mistake. The right thing to do would be to withdraw the protest, if possible, or throw it out, if not.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by SAump

Where in the rulebook does it state that an umpire can wipe off an earned run by mistake?

Everyone is overthinking this. It's a judgment call, on a timing play. No one, NO ONE called it a misapplication of the rules after it happened. No run scores on this folks, as called by the umpire at the plate. If anyone had a problem with it they a had lot of time before the next pitch happened. Hey, maybe the PU didn't see the batter hit the plate in time. It really doesn't matter though. He made a very distinct wave off, just listen to the announcer. No question what he was calling. If the O's didn't like it, they should have spoken up at the time.

Too late now, or three innings later, IMO.

[Toadman15241]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Everyone is overthinking this. It's a judgment call, on a timing play. No one, NO ONE called it a misapplication of the rules after it happened.

Too late now, or three innings later, IMO.

I disagree. There is NO way that this is a judgment call. Everyone in the park knew that the runner touched home before the appeal at 1st. If it was pure judgment, the O's bench coach would not have come out to argue, and they wouldn't have sent someone to check the rule book. This crew managed to screw up two basic rules in one game. Sad.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Toadman15241

Everyone in the park knew that the runner touched home before the appeal at 1st.

Everyone......except for one. Unfortunately, he's the only guy in the park that counts. He waved it off. Now the question is, why did he wave it off? Either he didn't know a very fundamental baseball rule, OR he thought the appeal came before the runner hit the plate. Both equally stupid. But who's to say that the PU just didn't think about the touch of the plate, saw R1 returning, and assumed R3 brainlocked as well. What I'm saying is that the PU didn't see R3 score, and he just waved off. A JUDGMENT CALL. A very poor judgment call, but that's all it is.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by kylejt

Everyone......except for one. Unfortunately, he's the only guy in the park that counts. He waved it off. Now the question is, why did he wave it off? Either he didn't know a very fundamental baseball rule, OR he thought the appeal came before the runner hit the plate. Both equally stupid. But who's to say that the PU just didn't think about the touch of the plate, saw R1 returning, and assumed R3 brainlocked as well. What I'm saying is that the PU didn't see R3 score, and he just waved off. A JUDGMENT CALL. A very poor judgment call, but that's all it is.

I don't know why you are tyring to hang your hat on a judgment call. Even the umpires involved said they were checking a RULE.

"We kicked it around and now I'm having a brain cramp on it," Montague said. "So I sent Bill (umpire Bill Miller) in, I said 'You know what, cause we're debating, you go in. Lets make it 100 percent sure."'

Miller checked the rule and said the run should have counted. Montague was vague about why it took until the sixth to make the change, saying "it kind of went on" with the umpires conferring with the managers.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I don't know why you are tyring to hang your hat on a judgment call. Even the umpires involved said they were checking a RULE.

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Oh, I agree. They were looking for some sort of rule to overturn, negate or bypass a blown judgment call. They just couldn't find one, I guess.

[kylejt]

I'm open to a logical explanation on why the PU waved off the run.

Again, I'm not saying I'm right. It's just what I would argue on this protest. I've got my lawyer hat on, instead of my six stitch combo. Bring it counselor!

Has Marv spoken about this incident yet? Have any of you groupies talked to him?