winning pitcher

[sixlehs]

Can some one tell me who the losing pitcher is in the following scenario:

A high school pitcher pitches into the top of the 7th inning and gets taken out while losing 3 to 2 and 1 man on base no body out, then the releiver allows the man on base to score and gives up two more hits that allow a second run to score so the score is now 5 to 2. When the relievers team gets their last bat in the bottom of the 7th they score two runs and then the game ends 5 to 4. Is the losing pitcher the starter or the releiver?

[mcrowder]

This is not hockey. The starter is the losing pitcher.

[sixlehs]

I am sorry but could you explain a little more, as the reliever allowed the run that wwins the game totally on his own?

[UmpJM]

sixlehs,

Fed 9-6-6d

The starting pitcher shall be charged with the loss when he is replaced and his team is behind or falls behind because of runs assessed to him after being replaced and his team does not subsequently tie the score or take the lead.

Same in OBR, same in NCAA.

JM

[sixlehs]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

This is not hockey. The starter is the losing pitcher.

can you explain a little more as the reliver allowed in the run that ultimately won the game?

[mcrowder]

He left the game behind. His team never caught up. He is the losing pitcher. Dem's da rules.

(The hockey comment is because they do it the way it seems that you think baseball should. Kind of silly to me. Goalie is pulled after giving up 3 goals in 5 minutes and is down 3-0. The other team tacks on 2 more - down 5-0. Then his team rallies for 3 goals late, and all of a sudden the NEW goalie is the loser, even though he only gave up 2 goals in 2.9 periods ... same with Game Winning Goal vs Game Winning RBI (not tracked as much anymore as it used to be))

[sixlehs]

since the run that won the game was charged to the releiver and the starters team score enough to tie the number of runs charged to the starter why does the starter get the loss

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

sixlehs,

Fed 9-6-6d



Same in OBR, same in NCAA.

JM

And Pony, Dixie, U-Trip, LL, and all versions of softball. Probably Calvinball too.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by sixlehs

can you explain a little more as the reliver allowed in the run that ultimately won the game?

Six,

Read closely what John posted. The starting pitcher's team was behind when he was removed.


Tim.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by sixlehs

since the run that won the game was charged to the releiver and the starters team score enough to tie the number of runs charged to the starter why does the starter get the loss

Because the rules say so. The "run that won the game" was the run that put the winning team ahead in the first place ... not the run that later became enough to keep them ahead.

[sixlehs]

if that is the case then if the reliever allows ten more runs to score and leaves the top of the 7th with the score 14 to 2 and then the starters teams bats in the bottom of the 7th and score 11 runs but the game ends 14 to 13 the starter would get the loss with your definition?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by sixlehs

if that is the case then if the reliever allows ten more runs to score and leaves the top of the 7th with the score 14 to 2 and then the starters teams bats in the bottom of the 7th and score 11 runs but the game ends 14 to 13 the starter would get the loss with your definition?

Are you arguing, or trying to understand?

It's not MY definition. It's THE definition. This is not a perceptional or optional thing for the scorekeeper. It's the RULE.

And yes ... the starter would get the loss in that situation.

And no... I don't care if you don't think that's right, I didn't write the rule.

[sixlehs]

so if the reliver had only allowed the on base runner to score and went out of the top of the 7th with the score 4 to 2and the starters team did as they did and scored two runs and tied the game at 4 to 4 end of 7th. so now we go into the 8th and the reliver gives up a run so its now 5 to 4 and the starters team bats in the bottom of the 8th and does not score so the game ends 5 to 4. By your staement the starter still gets this loss?

[shickenbottom]

sixlehs - Your asking a scorebook question on an umpire forum - what do we care who is the winning pitcher or the loosing pitcher.

Now to be very simplistic. The loss goes to the pitcher who let the go ahead runner get on base. If the starter let him on base and he scores, and the game is never tied up in subsequent innings, he gets the loss. If a reliever comes in and then the score gets tied, the pitcher of record becomes the reliever and the game becomes his to win or loose.

[LMan]

I think you are talking to the starting pitcher here