Det Lions v Baltimore

[theuk]

Saw a crazy play in which a Detroiot forward pass bounced, was picked up by running back who ran to 1 yard line after whistle never sounded. Challenge made, and stangely play stood. I had no volulme on the tv, so asking what I missed???


Did I view correctly that it was forward pass? I was watching 5 games at once--none with volume. I noticed every game/studio interuption showed this play. Was there something I missed in this one?

[chuck chopper]

Being from Baltimore, it was a forward pass..however no ref. had enough stones to call it correctly after they realized none of them was "on the play". The play stood as a "no call".
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The game had 21 penalties called on the Ravens. Totally out of control.

[mcrowder]

After seeing the replay, I can't see how they didn't call this an incomplete forward pass.

[theuk]

Regardless of the sport, no ref should ever want to be noticed. I have always considered Mr. Carrey (sp?) to be strong, but he was sure noticed throughout this game. And, if the ruling on the field was that the ball went backwards...I'm not sure I have seen such a botched call in many years. The only saving grace was that it occured in the first quarter.

Separate, but likely related in regard to the building frustration, the players kicked out probably deserved what they got. But it is still unusual to see NFL officials send players off the field, due to dissent!

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by theuk
Regardless of the sport, no ref should ever want to be noticed. I have always considered Mr. Carrey (sp?) to be strong, but he was sure noticed throughout this game. And, if the ruling on the field was that the ball went backwards...I'm not sure I have seen such a botched call in many years. The only saving grace was that it occured in the first quarter.

Separate, but likely related in regard to the building frustration, the players kicked out probably deserved what they got. But it is still unusual to see NFL officials send players off the field, due to dissent!

Two things,

1) I think the ravens deserved 21 penalties, I watched parts of the game and they were acting out of control several times.

2) The explanation Mike Carrey gave was that the ball came loose before the player threw the ball. I did not see it that way, I thought for sure they'd overrule it. I will be interested to hear what Mike Periera has to say about this, I'm sure he will speak about it.

[chuck chopper]

If the pass was a "bobbled grip" kind of a ball, where the QB was still able to push it forward, even though he was not in complete control that should still be considered a pass.

[mcrowder]

Except that he was facing laterally and slightly backward when he "threw" it, and he threw it about 20 yards in the air (albeit toward the sideline, and slightly back). Never was his arm motion even partially toward the line of scrimmage.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by chuck chopper
If the pass was a "bobbled grip" kind of a ball, where the QB was still able to push it forward, even though he was not in complete control that should still be considered a pass.

I'm going to have to disagree, unless NFL rules differ with NFHS on this matter, which I highly doubt they do. That would be considered a batt because the player did not "throw" the ball, he hit it with his hand. I'm not saying this is what happened, but this is the way Mike Carrey explained the situation and by rule would be a bat.

[Rich]

Originally posted by theuk
Regardless of the sport, no ref should ever want to be noticed. I have always considered Mr. Carrey (sp?) to be strong, but he was sure noticed throughout this game. And, if the ruling on the field was that the ball went backwards...I'm not sure I have seen such a botched call in many years. The only saving grace was that it occured in the first quarter.

Separate, but likely related in regard to the building frustration, the players kicked out probably deserved what they got. But it is still unusual to see NFL officials send players off the field, due to dissent!

One of the really wrong theories about officiating is that a good official is one you never notice. The umpire who made that statement was probably a real poor official who tried to get his paycheck and hide behind his partners and stay out of trouble all his life. *Control* of the ballgame is the difference between umpires that shows up for the players and the managers. - Bruce Froemming

[mj]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

One of the really wrong theories about officiating is that a good official is one you never notice. The umpire who made that statement was probably a real poor official who tried to get his paycheck and hide behind his partners and stay out of trouble all his life. *Control* of the ballgame is the difference between umpires that shows up for the players and the managers. - Bruce Froemming

As usual Rich, you hit the nail on the head.

[JRutledge]

If you make the right call on a tough play you will be noticed. I think the only people that do not want to be noticed are the officials that are afraid to make the tough calls.

Peace

[OverAndBack]

"theuk" is a soccer guy anyway! He don't know from American football!


Love ya, KB!