Recent Game - 1st Ejection of the year

[PeteBooth]

My question is this? Are guys letting assistant coaches argue with them?

IMO, the posters did answer your question, yet you felt the need to Defend your actions. If that's the case then why post to begin with.

In reading the responses, IMO the posters had no problem with your "warnings" if you were talking to the HEAD Coach. The problem which I agree with is why engage with assistant coaches.

Whether you umpire "kiddie ball" all the way up to the PROS, the assistant coaches are not afforded the same "luxory" so to speak as the head coach.

Personally I do not even pay attention to an assistant coach. I do not give them the "time of day" as that is not Their role in the game of baseball otherwise they would be head coaches.

If D1 College officials treat assistants as TEE mentioned "they do not exist", then it stands to reason Juco would follow the same rule.

If you do want to aspire to the D1 level, and a D1 official was watching this particular game, chances are his first question to you would be:

Why are you engaging with an assistant coach which IMO was the main theme of your thread.

Pete Booth

[Durham]

Why post? That is like asking why log on? And, if I don't agree with you I am not suppose to respond for fear of what it might look like to you?

So you guys eject every assistant coach that talks to you, or questions you? Do you get like 4-6 ejections a week?

mcrowder, just because I said I warned someone doesn't mean that I said, "Hey you, that is enough" or "not one more word." Like I said earlier I would be a very foolish official to practice those types of habits. And as far as the parenting thing, that is apples and oranges and in poor taste as an example.

If I said, "Hey guys were not going to sit here and do this all day." and someone responds, I am suppose to dump him?

Pete, since I was promoted in 2002 in pro ball and opted to leave the game for a more stable and rewarding career and l have happily worked a very nice Div I schedule, and I have never once been questioned by partners, observers, or coordinators about how I handle people on the field.

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

[PeteBooth]

I posted and will continue to post real situations so that others and myself can learn from them. Unless you have any objections.

I do not care what you post and you can post to your "hearts content" but here is one of your responses to a poster

Again, I will happily answer any questions you have and engage in any discussion you would like to on the topic of handling situations.

In that entire thread it sounded to me as if you were defending yourself.

The ending of your original post was with a question which IMO was answered, yet you didn't like the answer and felt the need to give a disertation on your umpiring career to substantiate what you did.

As far as your comment about ejecting assistant coaches. If you ignore them there's no need to eject.

IMO, engaging with an assitant coach is like engaging with the scorekeeper.

Again as I stated in my original post to you, the theme of the thread is "why did you feel the need to engage with the assistants." Perhaps you knew them

Pete Booth

[SanDiegoSteve]

I'm still trying to get past "rum dum high school or adult ball."

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[Durham]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I'm still trying to get past "rum dum high school or adult ball."

Steve,

High school and adult ball ejections happen ever day without being reported, that was my point and you are correct I should have stated it in a better way.

[Durham]

Ok Pete,

I don't know too many people that would take a side and not defend it, but I am willing to learn so teach me because I want to know how to do it better.

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

[gobama84]

Originally Posted by Durham

Ok Pete,

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

Let me jump in here.
I would ignore it, it wasn't my call.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by Durham

Ok Pete,

"In the top of the 2nd, the third out was made on a non-routine play at first base where the first baseman possibly had his foot off the base. My partner called the runner out and the entire dugout erupted."

Why don't you explain to me how you handle it from there and why you handle it that way.

I am very surprised with all your experience that you would ask this type of question. The call belonged to the BU, therefore, I would give my partner the respect he/she deserves and let them handle it. There is no need for me to get involved.

If the BU wants any help or assistance from me he/she will ask.

I think you are "pulling our legs" now because most of us learned to not intervene with our partners call unless asked to do so in Umpiring 101.

Pete Booth

[Az.Ump]

Originally Posted by Durham

Steve,

High school and adult ball ejections happen ever day without being reported, that was my point and you are correct I should have stated it in a better way.

That’s certainly not how it’s done here. All ejections including coaches, assistant coaches and players must be reported in full with in 24 hours.

Paul B.

[Durham]

Paul, that may be the case where you are from; and I am not saying that it happens every day all, the time, but we have all heard stories about someone getting ejected and no report was ever turned in. It is not like I am saying that you have to believe in a rising fastball, because I am not, but are you telling me that every high school and adult ball ejection in the country gets reported?

[shooter17]

Durham is just asking for advice on how different umpires handle a situation. If I was told something that I might not fully understand the reasoning, I would ask questions. Not so much to question your responses but to understand why you would do something. If I have a different way of handling situations and think its a good way to handle it then I will defend my reasoning. Everybody is different umpire. If umpires come on here to try to learn I would want as much information as possible. If guys want to write where the umpiring career has taken them that is more information to render which way will be the best to handle the situation. For example if one guy says just ignore them and he's experience is little league. While the other guy says issue as many warnings as possible then eject and has pro ball experience. Who has the most experience and has the most up to date training for these types of situations. As an umpire I would want to have options for handling situations. Just look at how many ways everybody handles just this situation. I think that is what these forums or all about. Teaching guys new things or adding to your "toolbox". Not to bash each other. Keep posting it's great to see everybody sharing info.

[Carbide Keyman]

Durham,

In a posted love letter to yourself about your skill in verbal banter with game participants, you asked a question.

You received answers that didn't match your lofty opinion of yourself.

Then, the ever popular umpire internet post when one's point-of-view is being dismantled, the "I coulda-woulda-shoulda been in pro ball, so don't question me". Did Jimmy Rollins tell you that you were a good ump when he was in Little League?

And, finally, PWL allies himself with you.

This post is a prime example of your game management skills. Nip it in the bud, don't let it gain a life of its own. You keep going back, when you should just deal with it and let it go.



Doug

[jumpmaster]

durham - I think you issued too many warnings, so do many of the others here. Ultimately, you are answerable to your coordinator and to the coaches and our opinions amount to a hill of beans.