Charged Conference

[benbret]

NFHS Varsity girls. The coach of home team has used his 3 visits. On the fourth visit the coach is told he must replace F1. Can he/she switch F5 and F1 for 1 pitch and then bring the starting F1 back to pitch.

Found answer!!
Penalty: (ART. 1) After three charged conferences in a seven-inning game, or for any charged conference in excess of one in each extra inning, the pitcher shall be removed as pitcher for the duration of the game.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Varsity girls. The coach of home team has used his 3 visits. On the fourth visit the coach is told he must replace F1. Can he/she switch F5 and F1 for 1 pitch and then bring the starting F1 back to pitch.

Found answer!!
Penalty: (ART. 1) After three charged conferences in a seven-inning game, or for any charged conference in excess of one in each extra inning, the pitcher shall be removed as pitcher for the duration of the game.

Glad we could help!

[EsqUmp]

This is a terribly written rule. They mirrored ASA, who botched it up tremendously when they changed it from one per inning. A sorry excuse to speed up the game left gaping holes in the rule.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

This is a terribly written rule. They mirrored ASA, who botched it up tremendously when they changed it from one per inning. A sorry excuse to speed up the game left gaping holes in the rule.

Please explain....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

Please explain....

Yeah, NFHS' has a bit of overkill to address different scenarios seemingly created by unnecessary "what if" scenarios. However, I'd like to hear what is so poor about the wording of ASA's. Seems pretty clear to me.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yeah, NFHS' has a bit of overkill to address different scenarios seemingly created by unnecessary "what if" scenarios. However, I'd like to hear what is so poor about the wording of ASA's. Seems pretty clear to me.

Simply put, by the clear wording of the rule, since there is no charged conference if the pitcher is removed, the coach could go out and "chat" then remove the pitcher. No charged conference. Next pitcher, same thing. This can go on endlessly without there ever being a charged conference. Now there was a rule interpretation provided several years ago, which completely contradicts the rule itself. Then you can look at the rule vs. rules supplement for more inconsistencies.

The purpose of the rule is to limit delays. As written, the rule wouldn't work as long as the pitcher was removed.

Additionally, ASA wants to distinguish between "Good game, Mary, give me the ball. Ump, 12 is going in for 14" and "Ump, 12 is going in for 14. Good game, Mary. Give me the ball." Again, no time difference. Just a sequence. One is charged, one is not. That's the rule interpretation, not withstanding the fact that if is completely at odds with the rule.

I also think that in extra innings it ought to be one charged per pitcher per inning (in regulation as well). Now that they are in extra innings with everything on the line, ASA limits the coaches' ability to conference with a new pitcher.

It's a mess. You can argue all you want that the rule works. But as written as well as interpreted, it's a disaster.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

This is a terribly written rule. They mirrored ASA, who botched it up tremendously when they changed it from one per inning. A sorry excuse to speed up the game left gaping holes in the rule.

How is it different than PONY or others?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

How is it different than PONY or others?

'Cause it's the evil empire, don'tcha know!

[chapmaja]

Here is a what if on the charged conference rule.

Team A has used 3 charged conferences early in the game. In the fifth inning the coach comes out to talk to the pitcher. After talking to the pitcher, the coach walks toward the dugout and tells S1 she is going in to pitch. She says this right as the umpire goes to approach the coach about it being a third charged conference.

Is this a third charged conference or not? (because of the timing of the change vs the conference?) Does F1 have the ability to return as pitcher? What about S1 if the team uses another charged conference later?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by benbret

NFHS Varsity girls. The coach of home team has used his 3 visits. On the fourth visit the coach is told he must replace F1. Can he/she switch F5 and F1 for 1 pitch and then bring the starting F1 back to pitch.

Found answer!!
Penalty: (ART. 1) After three charged conferences in a seven-inning game, or for any charged conference in excess of one in each extra inning, the pitcher shall be removed as pitcher for the duration of the game.

Sorry it took so much discussion and so long for us to reach a consensus on this one.