NFHS: Situations from Tonight & Rules Support?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I read in the OP "BR is obstructed on the way into 1B by F3"; followed by "as she runs though the bag "
Maybe the OP needs clarification.

If the OBS was literally at 1st, then yes, on the way to 2nd, as you and Mike said.

F3 stood five or six feet up the first base line in front of the bag, in the direct path the runner took from HP to 1B. There was no way in my judgment the BR would have safely reached 2B on the hit absent any obstruction, nor was she taking a path to round the bag until after the obstruction. This is why I only protected the runner to 1B.

In the cases of obstruction while rounding as mentioned earlier, yes, I would have awarded 1B to the runner if tagged out in the same way.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by teebob21

F3 stood five or six feet up the first base line in front of the bag, in the direct path the runner took from HP to 1B. There was no way in my judgment the BR would have safely reached 2B on the hit absent any obstruction, nor was she taking a path to round the bag until after the obstruction. This is why I only protected the runner to 1B.

In the cases of obstruction while rounding as mentioned earlier, yes, I would have awarded 1B to the runner if tagged out in the same way.

6 feet from first? Protected between 1st and 2nd. That's 2 steps. You don't think the fielder's existence right at that spot altered the path the runner would have taken between 1st and 2nd?

Unless there was a play on her and she was clearly intending to run straight through first base, you've got to protect her between 1st and 2nd.

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

6 feet from first? Protected between 1st and 2nd. That's 2 steps. You don't think the fielder's existence right at that spot altered the path the runner would have taken between 1st and 2nd?

Unless there was a play on her and she was clearly intending to run straight through first base, you've got to protect her between 1st and 2nd.

Six feet (two steps) prior to 1B seems to be between HP and 1B not between 1B and 2B. The BR could be protected to 2B but not under the "between the bases" part of OBS. The umpire would have to judge the BR had a chance to make 2B sans the OBS prior to 1B would s/he not?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

Six feet (two steps) prior to 1B seems to be between HP and 1B not between 1B and 2B. The BR could be protected to 2B but not under the "between the bases" part of OBS. The umpire would have to judge the BR had a chance to make 2B sans the OBS prior to 1B would s/he not?

This was my thought process, exactly. I'm interested in hearing more opinions one way or the other.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by teebob21

This was my thought process, exactly. I'm interested in hearing more opinions one way or the other.

Here is a similar situation, how would you guys rule?

B1 squares to bunt, causing F3 to charge up the line well in front of 1st base. B1 then pulls the bat back and slaps one into CF which is fielded by F8, who is playing in. F8 throws to F5 covering second. As B1 runs up the line, she is bumped into by F3 and knocked off stride. She then continues running and runs into an easy out (by 20 ft) at 2nd base.

The obstruction clearly happened between home and first base. The runner made a choice to attempt to get second base when she had no realistic chance to do so.

I am not protecting a runner who makes a poor decision, or rewarding a coach for making a poor decision to send the runner.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Here is a similar situation, how would you guys rule?

B1 squares to bunt, causing F3 to charge up the line well in front of 1st base. B1 then pulls the bat back and slaps one into CF which is fielded by F8, who is playing in. F8 throws to F5 covering second. As B1 runs up the line, she is bumped into by F3 and knocked off stride. She then continues running and runs into an easy out (by 20 ft) at 2nd base.

The obstruction clearly happened between home and first base. The runner made a choice to attempt to get second base when she had no realistic chance to do so.

I am not protecting a runner who makes a poor decision, or rewarding a coach for making a poor decision to send the runner.

For a change, the easiest answer is for NSA rule set.
Dead ball immediately with obstruction on BR prior to reaching first base.
Perhaps in place for this vary reason....

[Andy]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Here is a similar situation, how would you guys rule?

B1 squares to bunt, causing F3 to charge up the line well in front of 1st base. B1 then pulls the bat back and slaps one into CF which is fielded by F8, who is playing in. F8 throws to F5 covering second. As B1 runs up the line, she is bumped into by F3 and knocked off stride. She then continues running and runs into an easy out (by 20 ft) at 2nd base.

The obstruction clearly happened between home and first base. The runner made a choice to attempt to get second base when she had no realistic chance to do so.

I am not protecting a runner who makes a poor decision, or rewarding a coach for making a poor decision to send the runner.

I agree with your thought process.