NFHS: Situations from Tonight & Rules Support?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Illegal pitch, coach can argue all he wants, the rule book says the pitcher must take position with the hands separated, and while separated simulate taking a signal. If you judge the hands coming together is immediate, then it is an illegal pitch.

If she steps on with her hands separated and brings them together how do you know she didn't take a signal while bringing them together? Local color might dictate how you call this, but unless she was rushing through the pitch I'm a little skeptical about judging from this that she didn't simulate taking a signal.

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

HBP strike, if it caught the zone it is a strike. If it hit her after that it is a dead ball strike.

I don't think this is right. If a pitch goes through the strike zone and then hits a batter outside the strike zone (with no swing) it's a HBP. ASA 2005 references since that's the E-copy I have:
Rule 7-6-A-2. The batter is out if touched by a third strike "while it is in the strike zone".
Rule 7-4-G. A strike is called for each pitched ball swung at and missed that touches the runner.
Rule 7-4-I. A strike is called when the ball hits the batter in the strike zone.

The only real conflict is 7-4-A. A strike is called for each legally pitched ball entering the strike zone. But if you want that to be a conflict, you'd have the same problem with a ball that was hit after being in the strike zone.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

If she steps on with her hands separated and brings them together how do you know she didn't take a signal while bringing them together? Local color might dictate how you call this, but unless she was rushing through the pitch I'm a little skeptical about judging from this that she didn't simulate taking a signal.



I don't think this is right. If a pitch goes through the strike zone and then hits a batter outside the strike zone (with no swing) it's a HBP. ASA 2005 references since that's the E-copy I have:
Rule 7-6-A-2. The batter is out if touched by a third strike "while it is in the strike zone".
Rule 7-4-G. A strike is called for each pitched ball swung at and missed that touches the runner.
Rule 7-4-I. A strike is called when the ball hits the batter in the strike zone.

The only real conflict is 7-4-A. A strike is called for each legally pitched ball entering the strike zone. But if you want that to be a conflict, you'd have the same problem with a ball that was hit after being in the strike zone.

If the pitcher is stepping on and immediately brings the hands together, it is an illegal pitch and the case play in the NFHS manual says the same. If the hands are brought together immediately after stepping into position, it is an illegal pitch.

A ball that touches any portion of the strike zone is a strike. You cannot have an awarded 1st base(edited) hit by pitch strike.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

A ball that touches any portion of the strike zone is a strike. You cannot have a hit by pitch strike.

First of all, what you wrote in the first sentence doesn't match what you wrote in the second sentence. The second sentence is just so wrong that you obviously didn't mean it. As to the first sentence, would you care to respond to the citations?

[RKBUmp]

Edited. I meant a batter awarded 1st base on a hit by pitch strike.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Edited. I meant a batter awarded 1st base on a hit by pitch strike.

K, now it's clear what you meant. And we definitely agree on that. What we disagree on is whether a pitch that passes through the strike zone and then strikes the batter who is not in the strike zone is a strike. I've cited the rules I believe are relevant above.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by youngump

K, now it's clear what you meant. And we definitely agree on that. What we disagree on is whether a pitch that passes through the strike zone and then strikes the batter who is not in the strike zone is a strike. I've cited the rules I believe are relevant above.

ART. 2 . . . A batter is awarded first base when:
b. (F.P.) a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required. However, the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch.


[youngump]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

ART. 2 . . . A batter is awarded first base when:
b. (F.P.) a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required. However, the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch.


I'm on your side here but I think the rules are a little more ambiguous than you're giving the other side credit for. Here's the problem almost every rule in those sections doesn't make exceptions for another listed thing happening. In particular this rule doesn't say it doesn't apply if the batter swings but we know from another rule that it doesn't. Similarly the rule that says it's a strike if the ball passes through the strike zone doesn't have an exception for hitting the batter.
I don't realistically think they could make it any clearer without making it way too long.