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[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Jake26

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"a foot still in the box" and "have to be completely out of the box"

My understanding is that if you have one foot out of the batter's box (on the ground, completely outside the lines of the box), then you are out of the box. I think this is true in all sets of Rules (ASA, NFHS, NCAA), but I don't have enough books in front of me to verify that.

Only with the ball being batted, not when the ball hits the bat a second time, or hits the batter.
That rule would only apply to the "The ball is slapped down " part of the OP.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Only with the ball being batted, not when the ball hits the bat a second time, or hits the batter.
That rule would only apply to the "The ball is slapped down " part of the OP.

Is this still in the ASA Umpires Manual? I have an older electronic copy. It's under the Points of Emphasis section:

24. HITTING THE BALL A SECOND TIME.
When an umpire considers the act of a batter hitting the ball a second time, he should place the act into one of three categories.
A. If the bat is in the hands of the batter when the ball comes in contact with it, and the batter is in the batter's box, it is a foul ball. If an entire foot of the batter is completely outside the batter's box, he is out. When in doubt, don't guess the batter out. Call it a foul ball.

So, at least in ASA, the batter's foot being completely out of the box (and presumably on the ground) when the bat contacts the ball again is grounds for calling an out.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Is this still in the ASA Umpires Manual? I have an older electronic copy. It's under the Points of Emphasis section:

24. HITTING THE BALL A SECOND TIME.
When an umpire considers the act of a batter hitting the ball a second time, he should place the act into one of three categories.
A. If the bat is in the hands of the batter when the ball comes in contact with it, and the batter is in the batter's box, it is a foul ball. If an entire foot of the batter is completely outside the batter's box, he is out. When in doubt, don't guess the batter out. Call it a foul ball.

So, at least in ASA, the batter's foot being completely out of the box (and presumably on the ground) when the bat contacts the ball again is grounds for calling an out.

Yes it is still in ASA RS 24 as above.
However, it also says "When in doubt, don't guess the batter out. Call it a foul ball".

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Yes it is still in ASA RS 24 as above.
However, it also says "When in doubt, don't guess the batter out. Call it a foul ball".

I agree. My point was that, at least in ASA, the foot being completely out of the box and on the ground doesn't only apply to when a pitch is initially batted. It also applies if the batter hits the ball a second time while her foot is out of the box.

But good luck seeing THAT!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I agree. My point was that, at least in ASA, the foot being completely out of the box and on the ground doesn't only apply to when a pitch is initially batted. It also applies if the batter hits the ball a second time while her foot is out of the box.

But good luck seeing THAT!

Exactly - we're talking about events that occur milliseconds from each other. You didn't call her out for hitting the ball the first time while out of the box... you're eyesight's really so amazing that you can say the foot's outside the box 4 milliseconds later?

FOUL BALL!

[Andy]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

.. you're eyesight's really so amazing that you can say the foot's outside the box 4 milliseconds later?

Of course it is...that's why I umpire. That, and my cat-like reflexes......

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

Of course it is...that's why I umpire. That, and my cat-like reflexes......

And in his off time, Andy helps with the calibration of the Hubble Telescope

And we will now get a measure of the speed with which Andy's cat-like reflexes actually reactions now that coaches may have a stopwatch on the field to check important data like that!