ASA - clarification

[outathm]

So, in PONY, if the bat is in the strike zone, it is a strike. Sounds good to me.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by outathm

So, in PONY, if the bat is in the strike zone, it is a strike. Sounds good to me.

That's what he told me today, so... Yep!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by outathm

So, in PONY, if the bat is in the strike zone, it is a strike. Sounds good to me.

I must be the only one who thinks this is a "lazy man's" rule. IMO, a ball out of the strike zone is never a strike if the batter did not attempt to hit the ball or the ball did not hit the bat. IMO, there is no viable reason for this rule to exist in an environment using professional umpires.

[LIUmp]

I'm with you Mike. I don't see why a strike would be called if the batter never offered at the pitch. In fact, it goes against the definition of a check swing and offering at a pitch.

And Dave and Mike and others, I thank you yet again for clearing up my confusion. This has been the way I have been calling it - ASA no strike, PONY strike...

Someone will want to mention to the Dallas Metroplex Softball Association that there is a mistake on their website under the forty myths. They have incorrectly listed this as an ASA rule, when it is, in fact, an NFHS and PONY rule.

DMSUA.COM

Myth number 11.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA

I'm with you Mike. I don't see why a strike would be called if the batter never offered at the pitch. In fact, it goes against the definition of a check swing and offering at a pitch.

And Dave and Mike and others, I thank you yet again for clearing up my confusion. This has been the way I have been calling it - ASA no strike, PONY strike...

Someone will want to mention to the Dallas Metroplex Softball Association that there is a mistake on their website under the forty myths. They have incorrectly listed this as an ASA rule, when it is, in fact, an NFHS and PONY rule.

DMSUA.COM

Myth number 11.

This is not a PONY rule or a correct interpretation according to the PONY rule book.
From the Points of Emphasis section in the PONY 2010 Girls Softball Rules and Regulations book (Pg.V):
#8 CHECK SWING/BUNT STRIKE
"On a bunt attempt where the batter puts the bat across the plate, unless the batter moves the bat towards the ball, a strike would not be called if the ball is out of the strike zone."

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

This is not a PONY rule or a correct interpretation according to the PONY rule book.
From the Points of Emphasis section in the PONY 2010 Girls Softball Rules and Regulations book (Pg.V):
#8 CHECK SWING/BUNT STRIKE
"On a bunt attempt where the batter puts the bat across the plate, unless the batter moves the bat towards the ball, a strike would not be called if the ball is out of the strike zone."

Thanks KJ! I am corrected again. So PONY agrees with ASA and with Mike. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Dave, perhaps the guy you knew was confused like me?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA

Thanks KJ! I am corrected again. So PONY agrees with ASA and with Mike. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Dave, perhaps the guy you knew was confused like me?

Uh oh... Maybe my source wasn't correct, then.

He's called for so many different orgs, so I have to cut him some slack.

[greg21001]

Now I am going to have to ask..what about USSSA? My DD played 90% Usssa last year and her coaches told her to make sure you pulled the bat back if its a ball. This year she is on a different team that plays 90% ASA and she doesn't ahve to pull the bat back. Should I just keep telling her to pull it back so if we play PONY/USSSA she is used to it?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Uh oh... Maybe my source wasn't correct, then.

He's called for so many different orgs, so I have to cut him some slack.

Why? Would you expect a player or coach to do the same?

This is what causes problems and confuses players. Okay, so that isn't so unusual, but you get my point.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA

I'm with you Mike. I don't see why a strike would be called if the batter never offered at the pitch. In fact, it goes against the definition of a check swing and offering at a pitch.

And Dave and Mike and others, I thank you yet again for clearing up my confusion. This has been the way I have been calling it - ASA no strike, PONY strike...

Someone will want to mention to the Dallas Metroplex Softball Association that there is a mistake on their website under the forty myths. They have incorrectly listed this as an ASA rule, when it is, in fact, an NFHS and PONY rule.

DMSUA.COM

Myth number 11.

The person I spoke with made the comment, "if the rule changes in high school, I can guarantee you it will change the very next year in PONY." I suspect they want to have some amount of consistency for the girls who play NFHS.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by LIBlueASA

I'm with you Mike. I don't see why a strike would be called if the batter never offered at the pitch. In fact, it goes against the definition of a check swing and offering at a pitch.

And Dave and Mike and others, I thank you yet again for clearing up my confusion. This has been the way I have been calling it - ASA no strike, PONY strike...

Someone will want to mention to the Dallas Metroplex Softball Association that there is a mistake on their website under the forty myths. They have incorrectly listed this as an ASA rule, when it is, in fact, an NFHS and PONY rule.

DMSUA.COM

Myth number 11.

Yup......modified my old rule myths document and screwed it up.........

Joel

[SNIPERBBB]

I'd have her pull it back just for the simple fact that for whatever reason, it REALLY pisses some umpires off and they will call the strike regardless of the rule set.

[MD Longhorn]

I think I can beat that. Last Saturday had a coach INSIST that because his player didn't move the bat and was in fact looking at the catcher when the ball came in, that it was not a bunt attempt.

Unfortunately, there were 2 strikes ... and the player in question actually hit the ball - foul. Strike Three!

[youngump]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I think I can beat that. Last Saturday had a coach INSIST that because his player didn't move the bat and was in fact looking at the catcher when the ball came in, that it was not a bunt attempt.

Unfortunately, there were 2 strikes ... and the player in question actually hit the ball - foul. Strike Three!

I've never seen this, and I'm pretty sure I'd go where you did on the field. But I'm not sure how you could argue he's wrong from the rulebook. Bunt is defined as a pitched ball that is intentionally tapped with the bat. I'm pretty sure there's no definition for bunt attempt. I just can't imagine not reading intent in putting the bat out there.
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