help with getting into position

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Shouldn't be bad if it was an NCAA evaluation.

What's the diference (distraction wise) with an umpire starting in front of a fielder or a runner running in front of a fielder?

The umpire is there before the pitch.

If I were a fielder...i would rather have someone stationary until the ball is hit (at which time they are trying to get OUT of my way) in front of me rather than a runner moving towards me as I am trying to field the ball?

There is no comparison.

As an umpire, I will not work in the hole. I will do everything I can to be a step behind and just off a shoulder. Once the fielder takes that first step, I've pivoted out of their way. I have found when two people are moving and trying to avoid each other, half the time it almost becomes impossible to avoid each other. I believe this is one of the reasons retired runners are NOT required to abandon their base path.

A runner is a participant and, as a fielder, you know their presence cannot keep you from making a play. The umpire though, well, I don't believe any fielder will, no should they, accept the need to navigate around an umpire to make a play on a batted ball.

If fielders take unusual positions (depths) the umpire should adjust to an unusual starting position that will allow them do do their job and cover their responsibilities.

AFAIC, it is their game on their field. IMO, the umpire should adjust to them and if that means not getting your preferred position, you do the best you can from the position you can get.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The umpire is there before the pitch.

So is the runner



There is no comparison.

As an umpire, I will not work in the hole. I will do everything I can to be a step behind and just off a shoulder. Once the fielder takes that first step, I've pivoted out of their way. I have found when two people are moving and trying to avoid each other, half the time it almost becomes impossible to avoid each other. I believe this is one of the reasons retired runners are NOT required to abandon their base path.

A runner is a participant and, as a fielder, you know their presence cannot keep you from making a play. The umpire though, well, I don't believe any fielder will, no should they, accept the need to navigate around an umpire to make a play on a batted ball.

Who is making the fielder navigate? Those that can move....won't interfere.
See it all the time!


AFAIC, it is their game on their field. IMO, the umpire should adjust to them and if that means not getting your preferred position, you do the best you can from the position you can get.

Doesn't matter in this case who's game it suposedly is...both have jobs to do (and generally I know who is gonna get fired if they screw up). The good ones can git er done!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

So is the runner

No, the runner is on 1B, not standing in F4's line of sight.

Who is making the fielder navigate? Those that can move....won't interfere. See it all the time!

That's right, you work that real slow defensive game. Nevermind

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Doesn't matter in this case who's game it suposedly is...both have jobs to do (and generally I know who is gonna get fired if they screw up). The good ones can git er done!!

I'm more worried about the game I'm working. If someone is that manic about where I am standing as to not interfere with the play, that's their problem. I don't need to work their games.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

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[COLOR=black]No, the runner is on 1B, not standing in F4's line of sight.

The runners in most of my games now a days lead off they don't stand on 1b...LOL
And the umpires can be about in the same line of sight...and not moving....not a distraction

That's right, you work that real slow defensive game. Nevermind
(remember what happens when you assume?) lol

Yep...the slow games....and then there are the Supers with BeP, The Majors with BiP and the Majors FP with TW along with some very fine NCAA officials.... Very slow games???.....


I'm more worried about the game I'm working. If someone is that manic about where I am standing as to not interfere with the play, that's their problem. I don't need to work their games.

I am talking about the umpires (I've seen it done) who can stand where THEY need to and NOT interfere. Most of them are OK working their games.

[IRISHMAFIA]

The runners in most of my games now a days lead off they don't stand on 1b...LOL

Prior to the pitch? Only if you aren't doing your job.

And the umpires can be about in the same line of sight...and not moving....not a distraction

Yeah, they are a distraction. As a player, I have stopped a game until an umpire moved, twice. As a UIC, I have been asked to have umpire's move by players, FP & SP.

Yep...the slow games....and then there are the Supers with BeP,

You mean the same guy who pulled me aside after a game in OKC and told me I was moving too much behind the plate after avoiding the pitch, told me to stand where I wanted and stay there. Yet at the subsequent UIC clinic NUS members had us outside behind the Biltmore telling us to always position yourself behind the catcher. Pretty rough trying to survive any evaluation when you are getting conflicting authoritive direction.

The Majors with BiP

Been there, done that. Like him, but didn't care for the manner in which he introduced new mechanics at the majors.

and the Majors FP with TW along with some very fine NCAA officials.... Very slow games???.....

Never had the pleasure, but if I wanted to do baseball, I wouldn't have walked away from it after 22 years.

Originally Posted by luvthegame

I am talking about the umpires (I've seen it done) who can stand where THEY need to and NOT interfere. Most of them are OK working their games.

Hot damn! Finally got the formatting correct

However, that didn't keep you from taking a comment out of context. I thought I was clearly referring to your noted fear of termination and whomever could effect such a thing. Apparently not.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Prior to the pitch? Only if you aren't doing your job.



Yeah, they are a distraction. As a player, I have stopped a game until an umpire moved, twice. As a UIC, I have been asked to have umpire's move by players, FP & SP.



You mean the same guy who pulled me aside after a game in OKC and told me I was moving too much behind the plate after avoiding the pitch, told me to stand where I wanted and stay there. Yet at the subsequent UIC clinic NUS members had us outside behind the Biltmore telling us to always position yourself behind the catcher. Pretty rough trying to survive any evaluation when you are getting conflicting authoritive direction.



Been there, done that. Like him, but didn't care for the manner in which he introduced new mechanics at the majors.



Never had the pleasure, but if I wanted to do baseball, I wouldn't have walked away from it after 22 years.



Hot damn! Finally got the formatting correct

However, that didn't keep you from taking a comment out of context. I thought I was clearly referring to your noted fear of termination and whomever could effect such a thing. Apparently not.

Talk about formatting? I don't know of anyone more adept at cutting and pasting only what they need to...to not address their assertions or assumptions...but to CYA and redirect their agenda...Delaware is lucky to have such an expert!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Talk about formatting? I don't know of anyone more adept at cutting and pasting only what they need to...to not address their assertions or assumptions...but to CYA and redirect their agenda...Delaware is lucky to have such an expert!!

And yet you still haven't addressed the issue of worrying about being fired